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Videoman

12:29 pm on Jan 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

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.....no its not sour grapes as I have good places for the services that" sell well" on the net.

"Video Filming" or up lower case variants will bring up 100 pages of the same site- note the London variations and the way the suffix.domainname.co.uk is used.

My thoughts are this is blatant spamming and more to the point it devalues the use of an SE when the searcher is handed results which are total "nonsense" ...couldnt type B***ocks.

What do you guys think -if this was your client would you be ??
A Very Pleased
B Very Concerned
C Very Indifferent
D Add a link to Colmans Mustard to put on the Spam

You still have your 3 Life lines............;)

Edited by: Videoman

tigger

12:56 pm on Jan 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

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had a look under "Video Editing" showed 7461 pages found with all different results ?

but in answer to your question B

Videoman

1:19 pm on Jan 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Sorry Tigger- should have been "Video Filming"- have edited my original Post.

makemetop

1:54 pm on Jan 27, 2001 (gmt 0)



Yikes! Now this needs to be nipped in the bud. A business directory that obviously has the idea of stuffing SEs full of results for the main business categories so the surfer has no choice but to visit their business directory! Apart from the use of sub-domains they also seem to have bought half the towns in the UK as .co.uk domain names!

If this was a client I'd drop them immediately!

oldtimer

6:02 pm on Jan 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

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That is what happened when AV.co.uk first came on the scene. Almost invariably the first 2-3 pages were taken up with the same site. I thought they'd sorted that out some months back, so perhaps this time it is not the fault of AV but as you say - spamming.

They (the main site) claim to have over 1.2 million pages of info.

I agree - B

Rumbas

3:27 pm on Jan 29, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Have had the excact same experience with AV.dk.

A spammer had a lot of identical domains with identical content getting all the top 30 positons.
Reported it and the domains were shot down causing 404's.
Guess AV contacted the owner, but
SERP's are still showing the domains though!?

Generally I think the local AV's are way too easy to spam - compared to the rather hysterical AV.com. At least at AV.dk..

makemetop

3:39 pm on Jan 29, 2001 (gmt 0)



This lot are also in Lycos UK. Only one entry on the first page for the same phrase but look from page 2 onwards!

Videoman

9:03 am on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Armed with another block of these sites for Plumbers Merchants and having got past the autoresponder , I did get a mail from a human at AV UK (unless any one knows any different)....can it be coincidence - at 8.45a.m. GMT NO RESULTS for "Video Filming" or "Plumbers Merchants"

9.05...they are all back, just as was thinking I had got something done

georged

9:49 am on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Pure unadulterated spam. All that poplar.co.uk; marblearch.london stuff. Yak!

markd

12:05 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I'd be happy to get ANYTHING in AV.co.uk!

Any tips?

Needless to say, my pages are 'content optimised', usually using a general Inktomi type page, but not spam.

I have followed the rules to the letter; no bulk submissions etc. just good (and hopefully useful) content pages.

Many domains are .com's - would this make a difference to AV.co.uk?

Really wish people like our infamous spammer would realise that this type of approach annoys the engines (and we all suffer) and doesn't actually generate traffic, just frustration for the searcher!

makemetop

1:02 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)



>Many domains are .com's

Although AV UK does accept .com sites the onus is on you to prove that they are applicable to a UK market so it can prove pretty tough to get a .com listed. They filter out .coms at submission time and are meant to review them to see if they are UK sites but my guess is they are swamped and probably don't bother unless they are looking out for a particular site. May be a way around is to make sure UK appears in the title or description (but that's a guess).

georged

2:03 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Also, I've had several .co.uks which, after being submitted to AV.com, have been removed from there and put into UK AV, so that works both ways.

nicebloke

2:03 pm on Feb 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

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In regard to the above, I have contacted AVUK directly in regard to the plumbers merchants and video filming spam.

I got this response:

"Thanks too for the spam information, which we will check out. I see what you mean by A-Z's entries! Much appreciated."

I managed to get hold of the Head of Engineering's email address so I will email him, again, with this url - the spam is still there....

engine

3:14 pm on Feb 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Well done nicebloke, you got a human response, not automated.

Thanks for the update.

nicebloke

11:41 am on Feb 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Well no reply to the email.

Still ten pages worth+ of rubbish when you search for 'plumbers merchants'.

I am going to start making some more calls.

engine

11:58 am on Feb 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

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If there's anyone left in the UK!!!!
Thanks for the update. good luck.

nicebloke

4:25 pm on Feb 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm.

Well seems you may be right.

I asked them if they had a dept/person for dealing with spam and I was put through to the office manager who referred me to guess where....?

......yes the 'contact us' page of the site, which they say, is dealt with by the US.

They have no "telephone support'" in Europe.

Well I tried.

This seems a very different story to no more than 8 weeks ago when I called with a doorway enquiry. Then I was put throught to the then GM who gave me some pretty reasonable telephone support and referred me to an engineer.

Mmmmmmmmm.......

engine

5:11 pm on Feb 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Nicebloke, it's a sad state of affairs. WebmasterWorld recently reported about staff cuts at AV. See [revolution.haynet.com]

I'd guess your contact was one of the casualties.

nicebloke

11:42 am on Mar 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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[uk.altavista.com...]

look at this link - 3,816,284 pages in avuk from these maniacs. Is that a bit much?

engine

12:41 pm on Mar 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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This really is crazy. I would describe the results tactfully as unfair on all the other listings that should be appearing. You are right, it does de-value the index significantly.

Clearly, this is a well thought out programme to achieve results - and it has. But, if it were me or my client, I'd be highly embarrassed by them.

I would have thought it would have been a little more straightforward to provide one of the results under video filming, and not dozens.

nicebloke

2:24 pm on Mar 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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They've tried in google too just checked they have 230,000 there if the inurl search thing is working ok.

I want to do very nasty things to these people.

http://www.google.com/search?q=inurl:londonengland &num=20 &hl=en &lr= &newwindow=1 &safe=off&start=560&sa=N [google.com]

engine

2:53 pm on Mar 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Nicebloke, the best thing to do is to simply report something you think is not quite right, as you've done before.
I'm sure the search engines will be sympathetic.

nicebloke

4:49 pm on Mar 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

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sorry - I'm ranting aren't I?

markd

10:34 am on Mar 4, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I don't think you are Nicebloke!

What annoys and surprises me is how, when you consider the punitive sanctions by some engines on genuine submissions somehow viewed as spam, using automated submissions/reporting etc., these people have managed to get so much rubbish into these engines without punishment or detection!

I think it makes a mockery of their submission guidelines that these pages have got in in the first place. Particularly when you consider the hard work we all put in trying to stay on the right side of the SE's.

Videoman

12:05 pm on Mar 4, 2001 (gmt 0)

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"I think it makes a mockery of their submission guidelines........."
Hi Markd
Welcome to the forum
As nice bloke and I can confirm the real mockery is tring to a make contact with anything resembling a human at AV and then getting them to take the complaint seriously.

A year or so back a wedding services directory were returning the top 110 places for certain search terms. An email to AV UK brought a human response - the guy appreciated apart from the spamming from a users perspective it was a total turn off and within 10 days it had been "sorted".
Now that AV UK has no staff - just an autoresponder....more chance of Phil Mitchell being the next Archbishop of Canterbury than getting anything done. As our friends across the pond so elequently put it, AV Sucks!!!

nicebloke

11:35 am on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Too right, it does,

But there wouldn't be a problem if [chocolatenet.co.uk...]
People like this behaved themselves. Just read that twoddle.

makemetop

12:50 pm on Mar 5, 2001 (gmt 0)



I have reported this to Google. Despite my ban, we are in almost daily contact with the reasons (and hints) getting more precise each time. Reading between the lines it looks like they want to make sure that when (or if) I am unbanned there will be no possible cause for complaint from other SEOs that I am doing something that got them banned - no matter how small. All my fault for being reasonably public on the fora I fear.

Anyway, shortly after reporting this I noticed that all the londonengland sub domain pages I tried were reporting 404. So maybe the chocolate people have been told something!

NFFC

10:34 am on Mar 12, 2001 (gmt 0)

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AV UK have been updating for the last 12 hours, the results have not settled yet but I'm sure some will be interested in how our "friends" do in the update.

nicebloke

10:17 am on Mar 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Wow!

The spams still there, but somehow I've slipped in above it all!! Fine by me!

nicebloke

10:49 am on Apr 9, 2001 (gmt 0)

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All the spam pages are STILL in the database but are you say makemetop they're not pointing anywhere now.

I droppped from #1 to outside the top 200 on my keywords in the last week.

Anyone else having a disaster?

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