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Viewing PageRank

Seeing the PageRank value from non-windows computers.

   
3:51 pm on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I, like about 1% [thecounter.com] of the web-surfing population, use a Macintosh. I would love to have the Google toolbar installed and see for every single page that I visit what is it's PageRank, but alas, that is a privilege for Windows users only.

Is there an alternative to seeing the Google PageRank? Clearly it is a function of link popularity, but there is so much more to it that simple link pop is not enough to get an estimate on PageRank.

Is there a web-based tool? An e-mail to Google went unanswered...

3:59 pm on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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There was a third-party piece of software that allowed you to check PR, (Although I'm not sure there was a Mac version) but Google got upset about it. They put the squeeze on the author and he took it down.

I don't think you will be able to find a web based tool. That would require someone sending automated queries to Google, and that is something Google doesn't like much.

5:49 pm on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Don't forget there is also a Google directory, where you can look up the Google PR and then use ChrisR's page to get a very accurate estimate of your number. Search this forum for a link to that page.
8:23 pm on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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someone could set up something like VM ware or whatever to see it. I am not that familiar with it, but it could be done. I doubt it would violate googles terms of service, but then it would be like an open proxy.
8:58 pm on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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with internet explorer or another XML enabled browser you can also look it up with using a url like this :

[google.com...]

The tag <RK>7</RK> is the pagerank. The ch key in the URL is some sort of checking algorithme generated by the toolbar. Without the correct one google returns an error. So if you want to see for example the pagerank of www.example.com this unfortunatly won't work:

[google.com...]

Anyone figured out the ch key algo? Or is there a workaround?

Hope this help you a bit.

10:54 pm on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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wardbekker,

for pete's sake, can you tell me how you came up with the following statement:


with internet explorer or another XML enabled browser you can also look it up with using a url like this :

[google.com...]

The tag <RK>7</RK> is the pagerank. The ch key in the URL is some sort of checking algorithme generated by the toolbar. Without the correct one google returns an error. So if you want to see for example the pagerank of www.example.com this unfortunatly won't work:

[google.com...]

Anyone figured out the ch key algo? Or is there a workaround?

this is so far from obvious that only if I was a monkey with a keyboard would I have typed the URL you showed.
(I bow in reverence to the revelation of wisdom beyond my plane of existence) :)

WebGuerrilla

I don't think you will be able to find a web based tool. That would require someone sending automated queries to Google, and that is something Google doesn't like much.

But doesn't the Google toolbar do just that? Doesn't it query the Google database for each URL the surfer visits and returns it's PR value?

Where is a damn Wintel machine when you need one?

11:10 pm on Feb 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The way to figure out that url is to use a packet sniffer to see what url the google toolbar looks for. A packet sniffer is a little peice of software that records every byte that comes in or goes out over the network with your computer.

The only problem is indeed the unique ch number. I never cracked it's algo, although it resembles an md5 hash(or any other string->int hashing function). It has been discovered before though, by the individual who wrote the software being referred to here. I also would love some way to view pageranks without MSIE. I'd do almost all work from opera if it wasnt for the google toolbar.

7:18 am on Feb 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Awcabot, yes, the Google Toolbar is a tool that automatically query the google database but it has some very specific features ...

1) It send a cookie that stay 37 year in your PC.
2) They get your IP (so they can know where country you are from).
3) They know that you are using MSIE 5.0+ and some version of windows.
4) You only view a page every minute if you are reading them or maybe
every 10 second if you are searching for something.

An automated tool on the web would gather far fewer stats that are valuable to google and would send a huge amount of queries.

Anyway I spent an afternoon to write a toolbar that implement a backflip like interface and each time I click "Next" in MY toolbar it sent the browser to another website from a URL list in a text file and of course the google toolbar update the pagerank in the google toolbar :). If this is really a timing problem for google, they can easily check the time between requests and don't get pagerank if the user try to check 10 pages / seconds.

Anyway we have seen some worm doing distributed denial of service, will we see a distributed tool to automaticaly get pagerank from a list of website and report the result to a single location ?

Note: My toolbar is not ready to be released. Once released it will have some kind of protection to avoid misuse.

10:16 am on Feb 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've heard that the real pagerank value has decimals and that the value that is displayed in the toolbar has lower resolution, is there a way to reconstruct the original hi-res pagerank ?
10:38 pm on Feb 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The hash algo or the seed value or some little detail seems to have changed in the toolbar I hope there is something new for us to play with :).