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My site plunged 38 sites overnight. HELP!

questions re: freshbot/everflux



2:24 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My site was not ranked in the search engines a month ago. Then suddenly I appeared in the #6 spot and stayed there for about 3 weeks. Yesterday, overnight, my site had dropped from #6 to #44.

Having never truly been ranked in the search engines before, I have been reading about the effects of freshbot, where new sites get picked up and thrown high in the rankings then suddenly disappear only to reappear again after the monthly update. Is this possibly what is going on?

The new update should occur in the next week or two (correct?). Is it possible that my site will be reindexed and that I might have a better ranking after the update? I have added some quality links and tried to optimize (as well as I can understand).

What happens after the update? Will my site ranking be relatively stable for a month until the next update? Any estimates of when the update will occur?

Sorry for all of the questions.




2:54 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Renee,

Firstly, Welcome to Webmaster World [webmasterworld.com]. Be sure to read through Marcia's post at the above page, and follow the links posted on it.

Secondly, there is a mountain of information on this board relating to the freshbot, and googlebot. Have a read through lazerzubb's post:
Googlebot: Deepbot and Freshbot FAQ and Information [webmasterworld.com]
as it will help you no end.

As for the update - keep cheking on the Google News [webmasterworld.com] for the most upto-date info.



3:09 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi William,

Thanks for the input and the links. I'm having problems finding the post you recommended..."Marcia's post at the above page". Which page? I don't see anything. Although I'm not so good at navigating these boards yet.



3:19 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member nick_w is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

This Post: [webmasterworld.com...] ;)



3:19 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Renee,

The "Welome to WebmasterWorld" link which was on the same line (sorry..must slow down on the keyboard and be clearer ;))

Here it is again (with it's full title): WebmasterWorld Welcome and Guide to the Basics [webmasterworld.com]

Sorry for the confusion..HTH


[/added] Nick *just* beat me to it ;) [/added]


3:58 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member txbakers is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

I find it amusing that so many people raise their blood pressure over something done by a search engine.

Don't forget that if your site is popular and worthwhile, visits to it will spread by referral. Referrals are a much better source of new visitors than search engines.

If you concentrate your efforts on building referrals, and building a business through other marketing means, you will come to realize that there is more to the web than Google.

I haven't checked my sites in Google in the last 8 months, and frankly I don't care. I'm generating a very nice business on referrals and standard marketing. Anything that comes my way via a search engine is simply gravy.

Receptional Andy

4:10 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Anything that comes my way via a search engine is simply gravy

I find it difficult to agree with this because of the sheer volume of traffic you can get through good search engine placement. You're right that building referrals is a much more solid and reliable traffic source, but if it's traffic you want then search engine have lots of it ;)


4:12 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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True, and I agree to your post and I am doing my share of other marketing methods to get the word out. But for a new business, to be listed high in the search engines allows the opportunity to gain new customers, provide them with excellent customer service and fine products, which will lead to the referrals you are talking about. It is a good jump start for any new business. That fact cannot be ignored.

I think an established business has a better, well rounded, client base. In two years, I don't think that I will need to ping about search engine placement. My business will have sold itself based on its credibility, as you stated. But for now, being in the #5 position gave me invaluable exposure, and the much needed opportunity to gain the confidence of a large group of people, thus building the referrals you were speaking of. I would like that opportunity again.

Receptional Andy

4:19 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>I would like that opportunity again.

The fact that your drop was so sudden as so many pages seems to suggest that there were major changes on your site that resulted in this. Anything major done to the site before the drop?
In any case, keep reading and building your site and you'll get there in the end ;)


4:49 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Andy, well I thought that I was optimizing my pages. I bought Netmechanic service and used the "optimize your page" feature. I certainly didn't think that would harm my site. I just edited my title tag, description, etc. But all for the better I thought!

I mean, when I originally built the site I didn't know anything about keywords, etc. I'm just hoping there is the chance that this was the old freshbot/everflux issue for new sites. And hopefully the next update will help. My PR is 5 and I have added some links with good PR in the past few weeks. They aren't in my backlinks yet. AAAHHHHHH! I don't want to be one of those people who obsesses about their ranking!

(Okay, the REST of the story is....my husband is going to be laid off, we have 4 yound kids and I really do not want to go back to work outside of the home. When I did have the good ranking, I was seeing sales and I had the hope that perhaps this would work and I could actually make enough to be able to at least cover the mortgage.) That's why it seems so overly important at the moment--there has been this personal emotional investment.

Well, enough. I will just hope that maybe the update will help. I do understand that don't I? There will be an update towards the end of the month, beginning of next. Right?

Thanks! By the way, what is the WW2 WW3 that everyone talks about? Can anyone explain or point me to a link?



5:02 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Check the Googel Update FAQ: [webmasterworld.com...]

Receptional Andy

5:27 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>I bought Netmechanic service and used the "optimize your page" feature

I know nothing about this service in particular, but be careful when 'buying' optimisation. I think about it this way - everyone can buy the same service, and so everyone would end up with equally optimised pages!

If the changes by netmechanic ruined your rankings (and you are 100% sure that it was these changes that were reponsible) why not just switch back to how it was before? As you will be aware - be careful with any changes if you are trying to protect rankings. Changes can be harmful as well as beneficial.


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