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davewray

4:28 am on Feb 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi all. I am new to developing websites and as such am VERY wet behind the ears when it comes to website design. So, please forgive me for any questions that seem stupid.

My first question is this. I am working on a site that has my site title logo at top and a main menu along the left side of the page. To the right is a table where I'm inputting all of my content. My quesion is, should I keep that main menu on each of my pages, OR should I get rid of it on the other pages and just have a link back to the root page? (I know this sounds like a design question, but what implications does this have with SE's like Google. Would they not like it if every page on my site had the main menu to the left?)

As well, my second question is this: I am using an HTML editor to create my website pages. I keep reading everywhere that I need to FTP my files to my host? I have not chosen a host yet as I want to construct my site first. Why on earth can't I copy and paste my files to the file directory of the host I'm using? (Again, I am totally new to this, so please forgive me for ignorant questions!)
Thank-you all for your time in answering my questions! By the way, I love Brett's 12 step plan! :)

Dave.

bill

6:26 am on Feb 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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welcome to WebmasterWorld davewray.

should I keep that main menu on each of my pages
It is generally good to have some sort of consistent navigation throughout your site. A simple link back to your homepage might not be sufficient depending on your content.

I keep reading everywhere that I need to FTP my files to my host? I have not chosen a host yet as I want to construct my site first. Why on earth can't I copy and paste my files to the file directory of the host I'm using?
FTP is used to do just that...File Transfer. Many people get a separate software package to handle this, but if you're using Windows there is generally a command line FTP program built in. You can also perform rudimentary FTP through Internet Explorer.

davewray

1:15 am on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Bill! But I still do not understand what is really involved in File Transfer Protocall. Maybe I'm just not understanding how hosting works? This is my quandry. I have used a free web host in the past. All I ever had to do was copy and paste my code from an html editor right into the file manager of my free webhost account. Why do I need some program to send all of my files to my webhost? Could I not manually cut and paste all of my html code into the webhosts file manager? Thank-you for your time!

Dave

deejay

1:33 am on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Dave

From what I understand with the free hosts, they actually have a blank page (html file) set up there that, as you say, you copy and paste your content into, so the file is already there for you.

When you move into "real" hosting you'll find that you are actually copying and pasting the entire files from your machine to the webhost, rather than just the content.

It's just like copying a word file from one folder to another on your own computer, except it's between machines across the net. That's FTP in a nutshell.

You'll probably find though that you don't need to get carried away with getting an FTP programme immediately, as most webhosts have a webpage interface that will allow you to manage your files. An FTP programme will probably be faster and easier when your site has grown a bit, but meantime you get to ease into it gently. :)

martinibuster

1:47 am on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ipswich makes a freeware version of their ftp program. WS_FTP.

Beware of ad supported programs, as they can slow your system down, as well as be slow themselves.

Using FTP software is no big whoop. It's as simple as drinking a beer.

:) Y

davewray

4:15 am on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks deejay and Martinibuster! So, if I understand you correctly ftp'ing is just copying your html files to your webhost. And further, for now I don't need to worry about it? Because my site (html files) are still small I can just cut and paste to the file that my web host provides? (I suppose once I find a webhost I'll understand this all better!). It's just that I'm not too computer science literate, but understand the web a bit more!

mivox

5:39 am on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld dave! I've moved your post from the Graphics forum to the New to Web Development forum here... I figured it would get more 'targeted' replies here, since it's not really a graphics question.

Feel free to browse around all the forums though, you'll pick up a whole lot of useful information around here. :)

gsx

10:32 am on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You can copy and paste using Windows. Typing in ftp://...<address> allows you to do this, but you need the username and password. This shouls work if your server is a windows server.

I am not sure how this works when copying to Unix/Linux servers as these require different uploading techniques for text and graphic files (due to the way they store the newline character on unix/linux being different from windows). WS_FTP and other FTP programs correct this problem automatically in most cases.

hayluke

11:19 am on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You could always get some free space to experiment with and then get a proper host when you feel the site is ready to go live. FTP-ing is fairly simple when you know what you are doing and I can second martinibuster's suggestion of WS_FTP as being free and fairly easy to use..

Birdman

12:02 pm on Feb 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>>ipswich makes a freeware version of their ftp program. WS_FTP.

I have been using that one since day one and it worked great from day one. It is VERY easy to figure out:

After you connect to your server, you will see two lists of files. On the left will be your local files. On the right will be your remote files. You simply select one or more local files and click the arrow that points towards the remote file list. Your files will upload.

Alternatively, you can transfer the files from the server back to your machine if you wish.

Welcome to WW
Birdman

davewray

6:55 am on Feb 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I thank you all for your help! This website building is taking a LONG time! But I want to do it right. I think I'm going to take hayluke's advice and set up my site on free space and when I feel like I'm ready I'll get a "real" hosting company.

I guess I'll need to get it hosted by a real server before I can start my reciprocal link campaign? Would that be the best thing to do is wait until my site is more or less complete? Thanks!

gsx

11:09 am on Feb 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Your link campaign can begin immediately as long as you have your own domain name. Point the domain to the free space, start getting links to the domain name (not the free space). It may not help too much until you get your own web space depending on how the domain/free space is set up, but it will help once you get your own space.

wildwestica

10:10 pm on Feb 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Another ipswich WS_FTP fan here. It is extremely user friendly and the tutorials are meant for a lay audience.