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rburns

10:27 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I know this is probably redundant, but I am trying to increase my ranking in Yahoo and get ranked in Goggle. I am not a web designer but I am a CIS major. So I do have programing experience. I have done research on SEO and implemented everything that I possibly know, but it is just not working. What am I missing? I have concidered taking a class on web development but figured one of my fellow tech people will help me. I have reviewed competitors sites that are ranked top 3 and implemented simular things in my site. However they are ranked at the top and I on the 3rd page in Yahoo. Will someone please help.

httpwebwitch

4:09 am on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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a major factor in ranking is having "backlinks". That is, you need to get other sites to link to yours.

on-page factors like optimized markup, prominence and frequency of keywords also have an effect, albeit minimal. On the contemporary web, it's not enough to stuff a few <meta> tags and jump to the #1 spot.

Of course, competition is a significant factor. It's much easier to rank #1 for "phleboliths" than it is to rank anywhere for "poker"

mack

7:30 am on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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As httpwebwitch rightly pointed out one of the most importaint factors is getting as many good quality inbound links as possible.

Getting links is by far one of the most effective ways of becoming recognised and well ranked by search engines. Getting links can be easy or difficult depending on your site. In general of you provide high quality unique content then webmasters will link to you because of your sites quality.

What you can do is hunt down links. Find as many directories that accept submissions as possible and add your site to them. Try and find niche directories that are related to your sites content and suggest your site there also. Email related sites and ask if they would be prepared to link to you from within their own website.

It's all about links. As your link count increases you can expect to see an improvement in your search engine position.

Mack.

rburns

12:35 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hey guys thanks. What are some of the good directories to submit too? Also I have heard that links do not matter in SOE? I do apartment locating and have many different sites tailored to each individual area in Texas. We are talking about 100 different urls growing to 1000's. Will I have to submit all of these? These sites are not linked to my homepage. Thanks again for the input.

mack

2:31 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Also I have heard that links do not matter

They do. Every link to your site is a vote for your site. Not only do they deliver users when they click on the links but they also provide search engine bots with a way to find your pages. The more "tracks" lead to your page the more importaint search engines consider your page.

Mack.

surfin2u

2:50 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Getting links is good. You also need to consider where you are getting links from. Links from high ranking sites that focus on the same topic as your site are very good. Links from sites that lack a theme and have thousands of links to all different types of sites can hurt you.

httpwebwitch

7:00 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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these are basic SEO strategies that respond to current SE algorithms. Times may change and those algorithms will too - maybe someday they won't count backlinks among ranking criteria. Who knows.

But regardless, backlinks are ways for people to go from another site to yours. That will never be bad. Having as many as possible is your key to future success and maximum traffic.

surfin2u

7:13 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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backlinks are ways for people to go from another site to yours. That will never be bad

Then you don't believe that a link from a "bad neighborhood" or link farm can count against you?

I have no personal experience with that, but I've read many posts from others on WW that warn against bad neighborhoods and link farms.

Do you exchange links with everyone who offers to trade?

httpwebwitch

7:22 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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re: bad neighbourhoods,
I've heard similar stories. And I've also heard conflicting reports.

the bad neighbourhood theory admits that it is possible for a malicious link farm to deliberately "slam" your site by association with bad practices. Such things are certainly possible, and one can only hope that the Engines would develop enough intelligence to ignore, not penalize. Many would argue that that is putting too much faith in the engines like they are benevolent web deities - which is far from true.

The myth of "negative PR" is a persistant one. I won't be the one to debunk it.

I'm by no means an SEO expert with secret insight into Engine algorithms, but I know some basic strategies that are generally accepted. I don't put much store in the "bad neighbourhood" theory, but I do believe in getting links (when possible) from "excellent neighbourhoods". A link on CNN.com, CSMonitor.com, or SlashDot can never hurt, can it.

That was a rhetorical question

Strange

6:51 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've seen a lot of mention of links on this thread, and I agree that links are a great way to get ranked better in the search engines provided they are relevant.

What I havn't noticed is a lot of mention of content, and I don't think that is something that should be overlooked. Remember that the content of your page is just as important, if not more important than your links. Links will get the traffic to your site sure, but what is going to keep people there once they are on your site?

mack

1:16 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Good point!

And.. Content will get you links, if people fell it is worthy of linkng to.

Mack.

httpwebwitch

4:38 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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well said. The best way to have a great site is to make a great site. Something people want to read, and tell their friends about. Good stuff gets blogged. Make something that people get hyped about, and you'll get the backlinks.

It's different/tricky when you're flogging marketing services and you're trying to claw your "Florida Travel" site through the SERPS among thousands of direct competitors. You might end up paying for backlinks or spending a lot of time negotiating exchanges.

rburns

4:46 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Where should I go to submit my sites to directories? What places are good and what are not?

httpwebwitch

5:00 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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start with DMOZ,
then search around for forums and groups that pertain to your topic. Join them. many groups keep "link" lists - add yours.

rule of thumb: Never pay for a directory listing unless it's with a major player like Yahoo or a high-profile recognized industry association. Let common sense rule tempered by frugality.

look for sites that have a "related links" page - often these are set up as reciprocal link exchanges. Contact the webmaster and ask for a swap.

acharles

6:25 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Look for directory sites that are well-ranked for keyword terms important to your site.

Separately, don't forget important trade publication sites, which may not be optimized or perform well from an SEO standpoint, but may still have a tremendous amount of traffic by virtue of their off-line community.

surfin2u

3:37 pm on Oct 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Never pay for a directory listing unless it's with a major player like Yahoo or a high-profile recognized industry association

I definitely don't agree with that. I run a regional, industry-specific directory that has a long list of #1 search engine rankings. If you are in my industry and region, then it definitely pays to spend the modest amount that it costs to advertise on my site. You will probably get great traffic and improved ranking in return for your purchase.

Look for directory sites that are well-ranked for keyword terms important to your site.

I agree!

httpwebwitch

5:52 pm on Oct 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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humble amendment to my previous post: yes, regional directories can be very valuable. If you are in an industry that thrives on referrals, you need to be in the most popular "yellow pages" portals where potential customers will find you.

The portal described by Surfin2u above would probably count as a "major player" depending on your definition of that.

But - correct me if I'm wrong - paid directory listings are more valuable for business referrals, not as a mere strategy to generate SEO backlinks.

surfin2u

6:10 pm on Oct 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks, httpwebwitch, I had a feeling that you'd agree with me.

But - correct me if I'm wrong - paid directory listings are more valuable for business referrals, not as a mere strategy to generate SEO backlinks.

I don't have any info on how good my directory is for generating backlinks in addition to the one(s) that it gives.

I have seen businesses rise in SERPs after being listed in my directory. I saw one business rise to #1 on google for their key term after advertising with me, and then fall quite a ways after they stopped advertising with me.

Why did they stop advertising? Actually they kept paying later and later and feeding me more and more BS each billing, so I finally got fed up and told them so.

Matt Probert

7:23 pm on Oct 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What no one has said yet, is that Google certainly likes to see relevant outbound links from a page.

So, here's a few key tips:

1) Ensure the 'key' title is on the page within <h1></h1> tags

2) Ensure you have a sensible meta-tage "Description" of the page

3) Keep the page to less than 600 lines and less than 10K (excluding images).

4) Add links to relevant sites, so if the page is about renting apartments in Dallas, Texas a link to a Dallas Texas information site should be sensible.

Plus try to obtain inbound links as already suggested.

Matt

httpwebwitch

8:47 pm on Oct 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Keep the page to less than 600 lines

600 lines is a lot. That's a nice fat article or editorial. A good length for anything written. But there's no need to put a limit on that - more is better, plain and simple.

Placing a limit on page length is usually done so that there are more pages, and hence more opportunities to place ads in front of eyes. It is not usually touted as an SEO strategy. (at least in my experience, the former argument is more compelling)

rburns

1:56 am on Oct 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ok guys. I have done a lot of research and have found a few of my competitors have just resently been ranked very high on aggressive keywords. This has happened overnight. They do not have links on any of the major directories. They have gone out and paid a company to do their SEO! Someone obviously knows how to do this. I would like to know if anyone would be willing to help me with my site? I am needing a major player in this field. I have done all the research and implemented everything I have learned about SEO. I am well ranked on a lot of the searches, however on the major keywords I am not being ranked very well. Anyone interested?

httpwebwitch

4:27 pm on Oct 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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post that in the Commercial Forum.
You can also go to places where SEO nerds hang out.

One I would recommend rhymes with
Smurch Mingine Botch

type that into Google and they will ask "did you mean"... the real site.

surfin2u

4:14 pm on Oct 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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httpwebwitch, you deserve a prize for this one:

One I would recommend rhymes with Smurch Mingine Botch

Clever!

httpwebwitch

6:44 pm on Oct 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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beautiful. this post now ranks #1 and only for "smurch mingine botch"

I'm registering that domain now.

Essex_boy

1:50 pm on Oct 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It does as well!

webjourneyman

8:37 pm on Oct 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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There is an article written by Brett Tabke (ceo of this site and seo xpert) that is much refered to, its called "26 steps to 15k a Day". You should print it out and frame it above your computer, itīs that good!

webjourneyman

8:43 pm on Oct 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Almost forgot, in article mentioned above much emphasis is set on content. To efficiently compile content that is phrased similar to most popular searches, #*$! is a great tool.

webjourneyman

8:44 pm on Oct 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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#*$! seems to be a cuss word here on WebmasterWorld but itīs a great tool anyways.