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Search engine positioning

Do search engines really weigh your page content?

         

proximo2003

2:35 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)



I have spent the last 6 months studying search engine optimization and thought I had a good grip on the principles. I have recently built my first site with those gudelines in mind.

Though my site is not perfect (for one thing it is quite heavy in graphics, slowing down load time), I feel that I have my code and keyword density well layed out. My primary keyword is <snip>. I have the content, most sites in this niche are really only directories or link pages. My site really does offer free <widgets> and my content should weigh over those directory sites. But it doesn't, I am presently no. 248 on Yahoo and does not even show up on Google. I am building my inbound links as fast as I can but it hasn't been helping. What I am doing wrong?

[edited by: Woz at 2:45 am (utc) on June 20, 2005]
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Matt Probert

6:32 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Have you checked that the site is really spiderable? Take a look at your site with a text browser, such as Lynx, and you'll gain some idea of what the searchengines obtain when they visit.

Matt

mack

6:37 am on Jun 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How old is your site? getting ranked well takes time.

Mack.

rj87uk

10:17 am on Jun 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Run over your website with Search Engine Worlds Sim Spider and make sure the spiders can get through.

Even_Steven

8:45 am on Jun 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The old days of search engines looked at your on-page information to determine ranking. But I'm convinced that with Google and Yahoo and MSN, it's about credibility.

Think of it this way. There are millions of websites out there. Many of them are spam sites, many of them are affiliates with no interest but to earn a fast buck. So, these search engines try their hardest to eliminate these sites from their results.

What search engines want most of all, is to provide their users with the relevant results from the most credible websites. They look for "authority sites" in every niche category, and I'm convinced they use plain old common sense to figure this stuff out.

So, being a newbie website, you definitely are not going to be considered an authority, nor will you have any credibility.

That stuff takes time to build up. Google still uses popularity to determine this, for example, the number of websites linking to you, the keywords found in the anchor text of incoming links. But don't think you can just submit links to hundreds of websites. Google knows that no website gets hundreds of inbound links overnight, unless the webmaster was trying buck the system.

Unfortunately, you're just going to have to bide your time, and pay your dues, before you earn any big dough. You can try to utilize some of the sneaky SEO tactics to get on the fast-track. But I've tried most of these myself already, and while they do work, you only end up getting burned down the road.

Take it from me, who's been in this industry for 8 years now, publishing sites, and earning advertising/affiliate money. I've seen enough successes and failures to know that you're better off, doing everything legit and ethical, and focusing on your website users, than your search engine referrals. Build yourself a solid foundation instead.

katy1609

1:16 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi!

This is my first post (even though I do regularly visit this forum!)

I just have one question that has been bugging me for a while and just wondered if anyone could offer any advice.

I run a website, although only a fan-site it means a lot to me and is very popular. The only problem is my site never seems to show up within a Google search. If I type in my URL it shows up fine, so I know that it has been indexed.

I was just wondering how long does it usually take a site to show up well on Google? My site has been online since august 2004 and I am always trying to find ways of helping my page rank.I just wanted to know if sites usually take a long while to show up in searches? My site shows up within searches on Yahoo, altavista, MSN etc...

markbaa

4:44 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Katy, sounds like you might have been hit by the dreaded (and theoretical) google sandbox, which sometimes penalises "new" sites, new being undefined, longest stories I've heard are about 15 months.

katy1609

5:16 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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wow! my god thats a while!

any-hoo its a good job I am an extremely patient person! hehe I cannot complain really I have a fair few visitors everyday, so I'll just sit back and wait.

Is there any pointers anyone can give me on how to improve my chances of getting a higher page rank? I have read a few things, but if anyone has tried anything that has been successful I would like to hear it!

If anyone needs to check my site out for pointers the url is: <snip>

[edited by: mack at 7:50 pm (utc) on July 11, 2005]
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whoisgregg

1:18 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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katy, If you are running a fan site you should make it easy for other fans to link to your site from their blogs, profiles, etc. Create a cool graphic or at least some copy-and-paste text links for your visitors.

You can build inbound links this way that will push your fan site higher in the rankings.