Forum Moderators: mack

Message Too Old, No Replies

Please help me find web design work?

how do you let people know your out there?

         

webwalker

6:26 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I'm just starting as a web design frelancer and I don't have the faintest idea on how to get the word out about my services. Anyone, someone help me with ideas for doing this that won't bankrupt me. I was going to use elance but it seems they want people with lots of experience to subscribe. Please help.

Webwalker

grahamstewart

7:03 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Have you got your own website to show off your skillz?

stuntdubl

7:52 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Step 1 -- Get a DBA at your county clerks office. Very Cheap...make yourself official

Step 2 -- Start with your own site. Make it very informational about your services.

Step 3 -- Build a small portfolio of non-profit sites like your church or friends who have bands.

Step 4 -- Get business cards

Step 5 -- Start pounding on doors, and calling local businesses. Look for the owners. Learn to get past the "gatekeepers" and talk to the guy/gal in charge. Try to sound like you know the person, or at least like they are expecting to hear from you.

Step 6 -- Maintain professionalism at all times, and you will get good word of mouth

Step 7 -- Keep reading at WW and LEEEEARN!

Best of luck. We've all been there. Stick around here, and WW members will ease your learning curve.

**Note save receipts for everything and write it off on you taxes (it's a good way to justify that cool new laptop to your significant other;)

webwalker

7:53 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Yes, grahamstewart, I do have my own web site up and running. But, all of the sites featured on my portfolio site are all fake web sites.

[edited by: webwalker at 8:03 pm (utc) on Mar. 8, 2004]

webwalker

8:01 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Thanks stuntdubl, but what is a "DBA"? Also I'm not gifted at speaking on the telephone and when I tried cold calling people I sounded foolish. I also tried going door to door with busniesses and all I got was polite "no thank you's" or lies about how they would call me back later and they didn't.

rogerd

8:25 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Administrator 10+ Year Member



Webwalker, there's nothing wrong with using some invented sites to demonstrate your capabilities. As you get some real clients, add them in, eliminating the weakest examples of your work as you go along.

A "DBA" is a "doing business as" name, i.e., a business name instead of your name. Requirements for registering this may vary by state or locale.

One interesting way to build local business: join a business networking group. In the US, these are really hot right now - in essence, a few dozen businesses get together and try to buy from each other. (They are typically set up as a for-profit entity, by the way. The organizer gets fees from the members.) They have weekly meetings, and there's strong peer pressure to do business inside the group. They usually only let one company into each category, e.g., one web design firm, one banker, one plumber, one insurance firm, etc. If you are looking for a way to network in the community, this is a good start.

too much information

8:39 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



DBA, I don't know that one either...

As far as getting your name out I recently found a book (I'll sticky you the details) that gives some good marketing tips and how to approach advertising.

Make sure to tell everyone what you do, I mean EVERYONE. Pretty soon someone will call and say that they remembered that you were someone to call. It just happened to me last week.

txbakers

8:51 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



He who has a thing to sell
And goes and whispers down a well
is not as apt to get the dollars
as he who climbs a tree and hollars!

Wisdom found on a sugar packet one day many years ago. And never forgotten.

martinibuster

8:59 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Administrator 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



Suntdubl has given you some excellent advice.

Now for some caveats:

  • Expect not to make much money for the better part of a year. This is a normal part of starting up and growing any business- from Amazon.com to the hair salon down the street.

  • Growing a business very often involves delayed gratification and learning from one's mistakes, so don't expect instant joy.

  • The lessons never end. Although profitable, I'm still learning more every day about human behavior, advertising, and networking that impacts my bottom line.

  • Before you do anything, find a good accountant that is responsive to your phone calls.

All of the above will help you understand what is going on around you and in the long term sustain you. Getting that paycheck is only the beginning, be sure to have the next steps mapped.

stuntdubl

10:04 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Martini adds some great points as well...most importantly love what you do, and people will eventually understand that.

I also tried going door to door with busniesses and all I got was polite "no thank you's" or lies about how they would call me back later and they didn't.

It will take a lot of this to polish your technique. Maintain your professionalism, and those same "no thank-you's" will be back in a year or two asking you, and you will be able to charge them twice what you are charging now.

As Martini says, expect not to make money at first. Reinvest your money into promotional materials and developing your skills.

DBA, I don't know that one either...

A DBA is just a way to have a "business name" that you can use to keep your personal expenses seperate from your business ones. It doesn't offer the liability protection that you will eventually want in a business, but it is a good way to start and quite cheap too. (under $20 in most states I would imagine).

...is not as apt to get the dollars
as he who climbs a tree and hollars!

Chuckle as you hand everyone you meet a business card and explain what a "shameless self-promoter" or "promotion whore" you are;) Take any form of free promotion that you can get.

longen

1:04 am on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



>>Also I'm not gifted at speaking on the telephone and when I tried cold calling people I sounded foolish. I also tried going door to door with busniesses and all I got was polite "no thank you's" or lies about how they would call me back later and they didn't.<<

Many techies don't have people/talk skills so it difficult to get that first contract.
But do you know someone who is good with people? family, relatives, friends, in-laws, neighbours - if they went with you, made first contact, got your foot in the door - you could then take over and deal with all the techie questions. All you need is a few jobs to establish your name/reputation and you can fly without the baby-sitter. Pay someone if you have to, or perhaps commission from future profits.

webwalker

2:07 am on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Thanks for all your replies. I really appreciate your input. If you guys think of anything else please don't hesitate to add to this thread.

webwalker

ronin

2:17 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



You might also like to try looking for local business websites that are a bit rubbish. Before you talk to them, you can redesign their front page as an example, come up with an A4 page of ideas on how you would improve the rest of the site and then arrange an appointment with them.

This negates the first part of the challenge - convincing a client that they need a website in the first place.

If you can find potential clients who already have websites and then show them how their website could be a thousand times more attractive, more usable and lead to greater profits, they'll be delighted to take you on to enhance their web presence.

ajkimoto

8:12 pm on Mar 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



What ronin says is very true--there are many websites out there that were either always poor, or were acceptable when created but now are behind the curve.

Also, there is nothing wrong with offering very low prices to local businesses as a way to get experience and referrals that you can use later on (unless such a plan will lead to starvation, homelessness, or loss of internet connectivity).

ajkimoto