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pestilence

8:57 am on Jan 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hey there.
New to the site and this is my first post.
I've dabbled in design for many years and finally went for it last year. I bought a domain and got busy. I have a niche site in that I film on board motorcycle videos, edit them and post them on my site for downloads. I just recently started selling DVDs and soon will be getting into merchandising goods and the such. When I built my first page I did it in dreamweaver and built it in frames as I'd built them years ago and I liked how it looked and was easy to control and edit. It started slowly and then by word of mouth and forum posting I got my hits up and started getting quite a few visits per month. 14 months later I've got 2 domains and I'm up to 200,000 hits and 100+ gigs of bandwidth each month, 174 this month. I pay $19.95 a month for a dedicated ip and unlimited bandwidth so I got google adsense 2 months ago and combined with dvd sales the site is paying for itself finally.

Only problem is my site is still using the dreamweaver frames style that I built initially. The code is cluttered, my ftp is a mess and I want to make it more professional looking as I'm hoping to make this a part time business this year.
I'd prefer not to pay someone nor spend the next 6 months nose deep in programming books if I don't have to.
If possible I'd like to focus on one coding style and later bring more into it as my coding skills progress.
What would be the best route and code format to make my site really stand out, make me some good money and have ppl actually want to navigate the site rather than load and leave.

Thanks for your tips and I'm looking forward to being active on this site. I wish I'd found it last year.

bill

9:06 am on Jan 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld pestilence

First I would suggest getting rid of the frames. You'll find an increase in traffic from the search engines and people who bookmark your site. A framed site doesn't allow you to bookmark anything but the frameset page and is not very intuitive for the average surfer. Your visitors will thank you.

Next, run your code through the W3C validator and clean up any errors. This will help the SE spiders and your visitor's browsers to traverse your site without difficulty.

Then if you have the inclination...look into CSS and XHTML. That will future-proof your site to some degree and allow you to serve your users smaller files.

That should be enough to keep you busy for a little while ;)

webdude

2:47 pm on Jan 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Bill

I do agree with the problem of bookmarking when dealing with frames, but I disagree with frames being a problem with search engines. I have several sites that utilize frames, and with the correct use of the <noframes> tag, both sites have done remarkably well in the search engines. Both rank #1 for various 2 and 3 highly competative phrases that return 1.3 and 1.5 million in the SERPS of many of the major engines.

pestilence

5:10 pm on Jan 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Bill,
I've known I need to dump the frames awhile ago. Just with so many codes avaialable I wasn't realy sure which one best suited what I was doing.

I'll stop at the book store on the way home today and pick up some CSS and XHMTL books. Should keep me busy for the weekend.

bill

1:16 am on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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webdude it's true that framed pages can do well with the SEs, but most of them don't precicesly because they don't use the <noframes> tag correctly, and they are not designed with all the trickery needed to force the user into their frameset if perchance they enter through another page (that includes internal site linking on every page). If you really want to do a frames site properly it takes almost double the work because you have to make an alternative for every page you want indexed.

Oaf357

5:07 am on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ditch the frames.

I'm sure I read some where on a Google web page that frames definitely aren't good.

If you do them right you won't be hurt but I haven't made a framed page in over five years and have no problems displaying the content.

willybfriendly

5:20 am on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Stick with CSS and validating HTML and you will be fine. Spend some time in the WW archives (esp. CSS) and you will learn some amazing tricks. If you want to get fancy once you get your feet under you, visti the PHP forum.

WBF

bedlam

7:14 am on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just a thought about your hosting requirements...

I pay $19.95 a month for a dedicated ip and unlimited bandwidth

...I would suggest that, if there is going to be significant income riding on this site, you double or triple-check your hosting provider! 'Unlimited' bandwidth doesn't exist, and many hosts that offer such are more than a bit dodgy; people on these hosts tend to find themselves suddenly cut off when their sites actually begin to attract major traffic.

(Find the price of a cheap dedicated server and try the math - I think you will find that a provider can't really host more than a few sites using the bandwidth your site is now using - and at $19.95, they won't be able to afford that dedicated server for long...and even if they can cover the cost of the server, it's hard to see how they could afford to support it. Lastly, remember - the promise of 'unlimited bandwidth' will attract customers with high bandwidth requirements...)

-B

pestilence

9:33 am on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm sure I read some where on a Google web page that frames definitely aren't good.

I got around that by putting the code in all my pages on the site. It's worked well as each page brings up specific ads to that pages content. After watching what ads do come up, I'm going to start using the alternate ads to better support my audience.

My host really does have unlimited bandwidth. That’s why I choose them. 90% of my BW is from video downloads. I'm using a business class account and after my bandwidth spiked to 144 gigs I called them to make sure I would be ok. They said yes it's unlimited and we have no plans to shut you down. I'm at 185 right now and still up. 1 day left in the month so I'll keep my fingers crossed and call tech again just to be sure.
If they do, I just move up to the next account level.

balinor

5:05 pm on Feb 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What would be the best route and code format to make my site really stand out

While good clean code and a good layout/navigation structure are of course essential, graphics are a big part of it as well. If you really want to make your site 'stand out', try hiring a graphic designer for a couple hours of consulting. Even if they just give you some suggestions about colors, layout and graphics it will be well worth your money.