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phantombookman

6:53 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi
could I first introduce myself as I am new to the site.
Came across it yesterday and spent most of today reading the posts. I lost a day but gained a wealth of knowledge.
Taking the plunge with my first post.

When I click the refresh button whilst viewing some of the pages on my site, they do not refresh but take me to the homepage.

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
Regards to all
Rod

Dreamquick

7:02 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Only some of the pages?

If it was happening on all of your pages I'd be tempted to say that you were either using frames or some scripting elements which forced the browser to go to to the homepage under certain conditions.

Short of posting the site URL (which you aren't really allowed to do) it sounds like you'll need to go into a little more detail about how those pages were built ie are you using frames? are you using javascript on the page? are they just html or something more tricky like PHP or ASP?

- Tony

phantombookman

7:10 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Tony
thanks for that, I have avoided frames as not only do I not like them personally but also I believe they can be problematic.

I do however, for the main part, handcode my sites.
This is something that has improved but does not lead to the most elegant scripting the world has ever seen.

My main site is OK, I do have 2 other domains pointed to the same space in sub directories (term?)
It is those that cause the problem and I wondered whether there was any connection or, as most likely, I am doing something fundamentally wrong.

Regards
Rod

phantombookman

7:12 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi
sorry forgot, using standard HTML to build the pages, very simple stuff.
Rod

lorax

7:18 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld phantombookman,

<edited because you posted while I was writing>

So you have two domains pointing to some pages under your main domain like

www.anotherdomain.com => www.maindomain.com/bluewidgets/

phantombookman

9:25 am on Dec 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi
yes indeed the set up is basically
One lot of hosting space with the original domain name
say www.123.com
I then had a sub directory added (term?) which was reached with an entirely new domain name
say www.456.com
That process was repeated yet again with www.789.com

So basically 1 lot of hosting with 3 individual domains/sites.
the first 123 refeshes OK, the others just return to their respective homepages
I was all for hosting them seperately but was advised this was not only OK but also saved money.

Regards
Rod

lorax

4:55 pm on Dec 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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And after you've arrived at www.anotherdomain.com does the URL stay at www.anotherdomain.com or does it switch to www.maindomain.com/bluewidgets/?

phantombookman

6:23 pm on Dec 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Lorax
thanks for the reply, the domain stays as it was typed in, though sometimes at the bottom of explorer
it shows, as its loading, mymaindomain/web.com or mymaindomain/web2.com.

Also on Google the matches sometimes give the address as the proper domain name and others state mymaindomain/web.com

It is very frustrating as well that Google has included every single page of my main site but refuses to go past a couple of pages on the other 2.

Regards
Rod

lorax

8:08 pm on Dec 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> mymaindomain/web.com

Is that a typo? Shouldn't that read "mymaindomain.com/web?

RE: site organization and bots.

If the two additional websites are not integrated into the main site then I'd be inclined to say get them their own webspace. A couple of key of reasons I suggest this.

First - you'll eliminate the issues of Google not crawling deeper. It's possible that G is not going deeper because it recognizes the IPs for the sub-domains as belonging to the primary domain. I'm not sure though.

Second - it would be better to build a mini-net of sites that are one-offs of each other if there's enough content to support each on its own. Then you'll get the additional benefit of being able to deep link into each site (again - the different IPs will help here).

Third - it will just make it easier to manage all around IMHO.

phantombookman

9:34 am on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi Lorax
it was indeed a typo and is as you say, my apologies.

I appreciate the advice with the seperate hosting as well, I must say it ties in with what I was suspecting.
I think I am going to have to seperate them, though I cannot imagine what kind of a nightmare it will be, one site has approx 700 seperate viewable pages.

I am going to check out some other posts I noticed before about transfering sites and not falling foul of Google.
Many thanks for your time and patience
Happy New Year to all
Rod

phantombookman

9:58 am on Jan 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Lorax
just located this sites 'spider simulator' my main site, when checked, listed all its pages as having been spidered.

The other 2 listed non, just the sub web!
They are all designed on the same lines so I presume it can only be that they are not on independent hosting space.

I shall have to get 2 lots of hosting and move everything over.

I wondered whether Google would acknowledge the change though, as the domain names would remain the same.

Regards
Rod

lorax

4:21 pm on Jan 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I wondered whether Google would acknowledge the change though, as the domain names would remain the same.

G will pick them up fine. If it is indeed IP aware then it will realize the IP has changed and will crawl the sites again. I suspect that it will only crawl a few pages at first. My pet theory here is that the algo will realize something significant has changed and will queue the site up for a deep crawl at some point in the future. Providing you have gone through the G checklist of things to do (and not do) then you should be rewarded with a deep crawl and better rankings.

Leave some form of redirect in the old site to capture those SE links that still point there after you've moved the pages to their own webspace. That way you won't leave anyone hanging. Better if you can pass a 301 to the bots as well.

phantombookman

5:52 pm on Jan 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi Lorax
thanks for the info and the tip about redirecting.
I was actually tempted to completely delete the 2 sub webs from my server in the hope of clearing any lingering pages anywhere.

Some things seem to get locked in on search engines and browsers that become impossible to get rid of.

If remove all content & redirect from sub web will Google eventually get rid of it or do I have to request removal?

I am a little paranoid, hence the locked in statement above, because when the subweb was created there was a typo in the title and I cannot get rid of it from the net, still appears in browser bars etc.
The typo appears nowhere on the site yet still comes up in searches etc.

Very frustrating
Regards and thanks
Rod

lorax

9:58 pm on Jan 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just refreshed my memory about what you set up. If you had a DN pointing to a sub-dir then you don't need to worry about the redirects. When the DN is pointed to the new webspace then all existing links should be fine. Just make sure to set up the new webspace before you make the change and give it about 2 weeks for the IP change to filter through all of the caches.

To speed things up, you could use a script level header to set the cache to zero. Do this now and let it sit for a week or so and then when the changes go through, you'll only need to keep the old site for a couple of days.

phantombookman

9:49 am on Jan 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi Lorax
once again many thanks, I was hoping what you mentioned about the DN's to be so but after your advice, re redirects, I had a good look around the search engines.

Strangely when the sites come up in searches some show the location as the domain, and others as mymaindomain.com/subweb

So I shall have to put redirects on the subwebs and just hope that that Google etc eventually filter them out, though I suspect they will continue to come up in searches.

Thanks again
Rod

lorax

1:34 pm on Jan 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sent you a sticky

So I shall have to put redirects on the subwebs and just hope that that Google etc eventually filter them out, though I suspect they will continue to come up in searches.

If you're on an Apache webserver and mod-rewrite has been enabled then this issue can be handled very simply through the htaccess file.

phantombookman

2:07 pm on Jan 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi lorax
just spotted the sticky, great feature which I was unaware before, sent the info but I am afraid the apache etc has lost me I am afraid.
Regards
Rod