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We ( I ) need a Linux Forum

     
12:26 am on Jan 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I think a Linux section here at WmW would be a great benefit to us uninitiated *nix-less, behind the times, wimpy little Windows users. I'm sure there are plenty of us lurking in here that could use plenty of help with that penquin guy and I KNOW there are some sysadmins in here that can help.

Anyone else think the same way??

2:59 am on Jan 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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no way, then people might want a windows section here. i'm just kidding, i 'use' windows too and i have a linux computer, i.e i don't have them both on the same computer, i think that would be really hard. Especially, if that was your only computer. i sent you a stickymail.
4:13 am on Jan 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

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BH, do you think Linux issues could be adequately covered in the Website Technology Issues forum, which is described as covering:

"Graphics, FTP, Text Editors, Servers, PHP, Perl, CGI, Apache, SSI"

There's a separate Perl forum - with the inter-relatedness of Perl/CGI/Apache/Linux issues, maybe it could be smoother to have them closer in physical proximity.

Are you specifically referring to Linux issues on your own computer, or Linux as opposed NT web hosting?

5:42 am on Jan 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I think you're dead on with the Website Technology Issues category...maybe stick a Linux tag in the title there. It's just been an issue lately because I'm having to do a lot of telnet manuevering and I haven't ever done it before...the learning curve is steep and sysadmins just snicker when you ask 'em how to do a cron tab. It's like some sort of secret society...they all just kinda grin at you and never give you the answer directly. I thank God I found this forum tho' cuz yall help me alot.
6:23 pm on Jan 15, 2001 (gmt 0)



Bonehead:

If you are interested, here is a link to NetBSD notes.

NetBSD notes [wrpd.org]

AND I completely understand about the secret society of unix. And yes, they do snicker. They are not nice and basically believe you unworthy until you prove you can remember all those cryptic commands by trial and error. Error usually means you have completely destroyed several hard drives worth of data.

I have finally figured out that all unix command names came to be from a set of inside jokes. And nobody outside the unix circle knows what the jokes are until they have had to memorize the commands the hard way and use them for at least a couple of years.

I am sure of it.

-G

6:37 pm on Jan 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I thought they were all based on some obscure episode of Star Trek.

I have Linux on my machine and really love it, but as much as I would like to learn more about Linux/Unix, I must admit that I am more proud of my record of never having seen more than 2 minutes of any Star Trek (or any of its derivatives, et al) episode.......ever!

I guess I may not be cut out to be a Linux god, huh?

-Scott

Woz

9:49 pm on Jan 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>never having seen more than 2 minutes of any Star Trek

Shame! Shame! Shame!

Onya
Woz

11:59 pm on Jan 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I kinda like the idea of having a linux forum, though I wonder if we have enough critical mass of linux users (and knowledge) to make thriving forum. I know there are a few here who have a good amount of experience with *nix systems. However, I'd rather ask you guys than have to go to a different website.

That said, there are a lot of good linux-help sites. Check out the list at dmoz [dmoz.org].

[linuxnewbie.org...] does have a friendly forum that has helped me out a couple of times. They don't seem to be snobs.

5:19 am on Jan 17, 2001 (gmt 0)

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A linux forum would be great. As others pointed out, the problem is finding some extra members to kick in support there. I'm affraid we don't have any *nix experts around here at the moment. Most of the unix questions have gone - short answered.

Certainly server and *nix related questions are welcome in the Tech forum. If we get to 20-25 active threads on the topic, I probably would create a forum for it.

5:26 am on Jan 17, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Understood Kemosabe.

I will carry on in my daily struggles in pursuit of the magical penguin. And when I catch up with the little $%#@! I will call all yall over for penguin soup.

12:16 am on Jan 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I'm getting ready to set up my first dedicated redhat box. I have a sun server here and linux (slackware with umdos mods) on this particular machine, but have never run one stand alone (nor redhat at that). So I'm sure I'm in for an education too.
12:48 am on Jan 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I use Mandrake. It comes with all the goodies including MySQL, php. It is based on redhat, but enhanced. It was very easy to install too.
1:04 am on Jan 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>AND I completely understand about the secret society of unix. And yes, they do snicker

YES. Finished a UNIX class in the fall. Felt DUH enough already struggling with major programmers in the class, but the teacher (nice enough person) reveled in making the labs difficult. Sigh. I still like UNIX a lot.

9:49 am on Jan 18, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Another vote for Mandrake here... I use it on my workstation, but I'm not sure I'd trust it for production.

I was considering doing a minimal install and stripping it right down, but if anyone knows of a secure distro tailored especially for webservers I'd be interested to hear about it.

1:15 am on Jan 19, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Looks like penguin-ites love Ramen noodles...
If the website being attacked has not been patched properly, the worm replaces the index page with a tribute to Ramen noodles and then patches the server with a "root kit" that fixes security holes and, "installs special programs that replace common system functions."

Attack of the Ramen worm [geek.com]
5:18 am on Mar 22, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I'm starting to wish this a reality. I spent half the day trying to get a couple of linux boxes to communicate with an NT firewall. I got everything working but DNS exchanges. After fiddling with it for two hours I gave up. What I did instead was install BIND and have the computers act as their own DNS servers. Oddly enough that was actually a lot easier to do.

I spent another quarter of the day configuring linux on a ( Sony 9041 ) laptop. The big challenge there was to get X to work with the screen.

3:11 pm on Mar 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Are you voluntering?
4:38 pm on Mar 24, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Between little, Air and Sugarkane I think there is enough knowledge to cover the bases in Penquinville. They've all helped me along numerous times. For whatever it's worth.
3:11 pm on Mar 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Having just walked through almost every thread on the board over the last 4 days, I have to say I am not convinced there is enough interest in it yet. Those that are interested (us in this thread) are really interested in it, but I don't think we could sustain it at this time. We have several forums that dance around the issue for now.

Xoc

3:53 pm on Mar 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

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If you look at the way UseNet does new newsgroups, there has to be enough traffic in existing newsgroup already to support the new newsgroup. Then it is split off after appropriate administrivia and voting.
4:59 pm on Mar 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

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You are right Xoc. That is pretty much the system here too. I look for 20 unique threads on the subject to start (now closer to 30), and then see if we have atleast 5 active members interested in it.

Now that the home page is pretty crowded, I think I need to raise that bar a bit more before I over run the homepage with forums. A touch tighter focus and more support for those forums that we already have.

If we do a *nix forum, then we'd need a winders forum, then a Mac forum...it could snowball real quick. I'm not against that idea, and I must confess I've pondered, wonders, day dreamed, about that type of massive expansion of topics covered, but not yet. I just don't think we could sustain it without some fundamental changes.

5:50 pm on Mar 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I just spent all week setting up Solaris8. I'm so excited and happy! As you guys would say,...i think she's a beauty. yeah!!!
11:25 pm on Mar 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>Are you volunteering?

I would if I was qualified, but I am very much a Linux beginner. I would be the one asking most of the questions.

Mousemoves, I just found out that Solaris 8 is free.
[sun.com...]
Was it very difficult to install relative to linux?

11:37 pm on Mar 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I've had mixed luck installing solaris on intel - it seems to be *very* picky about hardware... checking the hardware compatibility list [soldc.sun.com] is a must.

Mousemoves, what kind of system did you install it on?

1:17 am on Mar 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Custom Built Clone. All hardware is listed on the HCL.

ASUA TX97 System Board
Intel 233 MMX cpu
128 mb SDRAM PC66
ATI 4mb Rage II
4.5 gb Fujitsu HDD
SDU-77E Sony cdrom
3com 3C905B-FX Nic
NEC MultiSync Monitor
Logitech 2button serial mouse
Standard 101 keyboard

Once installed: download and install gnu gcc pkg for solaris8. Then install the gnu gcc source. Then use your new compiled from source to install other gnu source software.

Not more hard than linux with HCL. Deciding on slice/partition sizes was the main issue for me and getting the gcc because I had to figure the solution. Naturally, I'm still figuring. Picked up Solaris Solutions for Sys Admins today, can hardly wait to read it.

5:29 pm on Mar 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Would network/system administration cover all those areas (windows, unix, linux, etc.) enough to put 'em all together in one forum?

Ok, what did I miss in my unix class (probably plenty) -- is the "*nix" written this way for the board or a tech way of writing unix?

5:55 pm on Mar 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

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*nix is just shorthand meaning any of the various Unix-like operating systems. 'Unix' is actually a trademark of AT&T (I think...) and Linux, Solaris etc can't legally describe themselves as Unix.

Your idea of a sysadmin forum sounds good, although maybe the technology forum covers this ground (or could do)?

3:58 am on Mar 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>Your idea of a sysadmin forum sounds good, although maybe the technology forum covers this ground (or could do)?

It could except for the moderator's shortcomings! Generally *nix questions end up there and we (collectively, the mods) struggle to answer them.

Let's remember that a sysadmin implies a server (*nix, Windoze, whatever) and is not directly SEO related which is the focus of WebmasterWorld. Most of the questions we deal with daily are from a client's point of view and I'm not sure we have the expertise among the moderators to host a forum of this nature properly. I am sure that other forums exist that already cover this ground quite well.

11:12 pm on Jul 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I am converting to Linux for sure. I already have Mandrake 7.2 set up and running but it's just so hard to get everything switched over...like Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash. Can't live without 'em.

Anybody know if there's gonna be a Linux version coming up?

11:40 pm on Jul 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Coincidence, just installed Mandrake 8 this evening and its amazing how much better Linux gets each time I try a new distribution.

Have you tried running these under Wine ( [winehq.com...] )? Take a look at the wine database (e.g [appdb.codeweavers.com...] ) Dreamweaver and Flash both work apparently, though not necessarily 100% - could be worth a try though.

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