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June 27 - we fully recovered from traffic drop

traffic dropped on March 30

         

draxofavalon

9:31 pm on Jun 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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<Admin note: See also June 27 - changes are a complete disaster [webmasterworld.com]>

We have a CMS based site, on March 30 suddenly we lost almost all our traffic. Till March 30 we used to have 37k unique visitor a day, and in Abril we only had 7k unique visitors a day... same in May and June... and today we have recovered all visitors and all top positions in SERPs.

Since March 30 we did a LOT of changes to try to fix the site... 301's, nofollow, better mod_rewrite, more linking and backlinks, reinclusion request... none of them worked till today.

btw, we never used Google Sitemaps.

[edited by: tedster at 8:07 pm (utc) on June 28, 2006]

tedster

4:19 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The only way that "might" make sense to me would be if the algo scored maybe 20 or 30 pages extremely closely. But I just said "might" because I don't see anything remotely like this kind of "switch-out" on most of the SERPs that I follow.

In fact, this June 27 data set has made one of my long-term clients quite happy, ranking them in what feels to us like a much more appropriate way than they have seen in 2 or 3 years.

I could see that Google had a difficult situation for a 2-word search here, because there were only two companies that were "really" in the space, but many other websites had single but intense pages on the topic. For the first time I can remember the two powerhouses are now head to head.

I'm guessing that the LACK of changes on these two domains in recent months may be playing in here -- historical stability or something of that kind. We both just quit tweaking things for a while!

cabbie

4:48 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If anyway is feeling self satisfied as a result of this old data push, I feel they maybe in for a big let down.
I see old forgotten sites with very few links, even orphaned pages with absolutely no backlinks and haven't had any for 2 months (I know as I deleted them all), magically rise to the top of the serps.
This is definitely an incomplete set of data.
Of course, that maybe all google is capable of at the moment.

tedster

5:08 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Your caution is noted and well stated, cabbie - we'll enjoy the high ranking while it lasts. The business plan was long since diversified so as not to depend on Google Search.

torched

6:41 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Good thing Cutts is on vacation otherwise he'd be flooded with tons of emails asking for some explanations besides a "bad data push"

BeeDeeDubbleU

7:43 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If anyway is feeling self satisfied as a result of this old data push, I feel they maybe in for a big let down.

I am much too long in the tooth for that ;)

But of my two emerging sites one of them is commercial and it does have the potential to make me some money so I am praying to Google on high.

soapystar

8:14 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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this data push..update...call it what you want..it does follow a consistent path to the others....

while the folks at the plex give out the message that the future is all about quality links..each 'change'..moves more and more to rewarding 'pure' link spamming..im not talking link swaps..im talking inbound link spamming by any means you want..there is no quality filtering 'wotsoever' that i can see..if you want to rank..go spam some links..guestbook..blogs...sponsored..purchased..networks...it appears the one constant that i can find in the upward march of the big movers...

toothake

8:25 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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72.14.207.99
72.14.207.104
72.14.207.107
72.14.207.107
check your sites there
interesting......

pechspilz

8:34 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Indeed. I hope their data make it to the other centers.

tigger

8:35 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>interesting

understatement of the week :) those are a lot better showing index first with site:command lets hope the others move over

toothake

8:35 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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on the above data centers one of my sites with site command the index is not first and there are many suplmental results -but and here is the point-many pages rank higher then they use to rank in the rest of the other DC's ,this is the contrary of other posters here that since that started (27) they lost positions and also site command does not bring the home page first.
any thoughs?

soapystar

9:22 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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im sorry but its the same thing happening....a merry go round of previous shifts....serps seen before...with the same errors for certain sites...whether u like them or not seems to depend on whether the anomalies work for you or against you...

dangerman

10:07 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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wanderingmind said:
Relief - I just noticed that for a site: search, my homepage is not the first result anymore.
This usually means, their screw up, they shall fix it at some point.

We have been dropped since Apr 26, since then site:search brings up our index.html on the 4th page (formerly No1) with a random internal page ahead. Do you, or anyone else, have a lot of evidence to suggest these cases are really a G screw-up and inevitably return to normal?

toothake

10:30 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"im sorry but its the same thing happening....a merry go round of previous shifts....serps seen before...with the same errors for certain sites..."
On second thoughts and examing the results (many of them goes back to 24 Jun 2005) guess you are right.Old data.

toothake

10:33 am on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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That explains why some fellow folks show there a fix in the site comand ,because at those DC's is a data from many months ago IMHO.

tedster

3:14 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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at those DC's is a data from many months ago

I just checked a few of the sites I work with and the cache dates are all from last week. Also, the order of the SERPs is nothing I've seen before. Either we're seeing a "data blend" or one IP is serving up more than one set of results.

tebrino

3:30 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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For my site, cache dates are from 26th for internal pages and 27th for the home page.

trinorthlighting

4:44 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The reason for the serp changes is the supplemental index being recrawled and dropped into google.

soapystar

8:53 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I just checked a few of the sites I work with and the cache dates are all from last week

a red herring i would suggest. Over One year ago google mistakenly indexed my whole site with the %20www prefix (which went straight to the supplemental bin)(also google should not be indexing site with %20www when this just represents a gap in the way the url was coded) because wildcard dns was incorrectly setup. This was rectified as soon as i realised what had happened. Those %20 pages havent exsisted for nearly one year but currently seem to be causing my widget pages to be penalised and they rank above those pages. So pages that havent exsisted for a year are still having that data used for ranking purposes. Npw im not saying the index is working on data froma year ago, it clearly isnt. But its not clear which rankings are influenced by year old data since some of it certainly is.

[edited by: soapystar at 9:07 pm (utc) on June 29, 2006]

FinanceGirls

9:03 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Interesting....if Google is showing old results, then things are starting to make sense. Just this morning my sister pointed out that for one of our keywords we hadn't dropped in ranking. We have held that position for over a year. For another keyword that we targeted and took top positions for about 6 months ago,we dropped. Hopefully this will pass soon.

soapystar

9:12 pm on Jun 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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im not saying they are old results as such, im saying i see the same old bugs getting recycled and data is being used from at least a year ago and has an influence on the serps. I can look at a serps and see the same bugs causing a ranking influence. For example, one serps may mean your home page is missing, but at teh same time you will notice other pages may be ranking better. So a certain bug corresponds to how different pages rank for each serps. It may appear to be fixed next serps they reoccur 6 weeks on, and then those serps will look to you as they did 6 weeks ago. But not just you, the sites around you will change relative to you. Also its the same sites bouncing around so i can look at a serps and tell you when i last saw it by looking at which spammers are ranking above their weight. Yes you can see minor chnages and blending affects but overall its the same serps simply getting recycled imho. No update since the end of last year.
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