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I can't visit www.google.com (I'm in China)

     
11:11 am on Jun 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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i can only visit www.google.cn
i'm in China

why?

12:10 pm on June 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I believe that it is a common practice for Google to redirect from google.com to "national flavours" of their site, where available. In China, the situation is also more complex due to censorship.
8:02 pm on June 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Google around for the "great firewall of china". But needless to say, they can block out any site/s they see fit.

One way around it is through a proxy site.

8:29 pm on June 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It's mainly the contempt they have for their own "principles" and their desire to make money. Users in China just see a more realistic version of the company than we do, that's all.

It's harder to hide behind a fluffy image when you're collaborating with a government that rules by fear and takes active steps (via private companies) to control what you're allowed to see. By doing so they hope to be able to control what you think.

Evidently failed in your case :)

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You could also try downloading JAP, a Java based anonymizer tool. You can make it look like you're in Europe quite easily.
8:36 pm on June 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There was an article about a week ago or so that the Chinese government was blocking access to google.com from within China.
2:26 pm on June 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Must be doing some blocking here in the states too,
as I have been completely unable to access google
for about a week -- even when clicking a remote
WhoIs link.
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They do it here in the UK sometimes as well, just bounce you to .co.uk every time you try to access the .com
3:33 pm on June 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You could try to go to [google.com...] This should stop the redirection to the localized version of Google. However if the Chinese authorities are blocking access to the American Google, than you are out of luck.

Must be doing some blocking here in the states too, as I have been completely unable to access google for about a week

That isn't normal. You should check your computer for adware and spyware. Some spyware blocks access to major sites like Google.

3:48 pm on June 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You could also try downloading JAP, a Java based anonymizer tool. You can make it look like you're in Europe quite easily.

I know you probably will do anything to get in a dig at google, or help people defeat their procedures, but before you give this kind of advice, has it occurred to you that the Chinese government may interpret the use of such tools as criminal?

4:54 pm on June 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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From a couple of recent C¦Net stories:

[news.com.com...]

[news.com.com...]

here's my understanding of the current situation:

- The Chinese government does "something" to slow access to the main google.com site. They do not block it, but do something to make access slower. I don't know exactly what they do, as the article I read was non-technical. The article did mention that there are ways around this, but wasn't specific. They did mention that, currently, the vast majority (99%) of Chinese Google users access google.com, despite the slower access, rather than google.cn.

- For a brief period (last week?) the Chinese government did block access to google.com completely. There was some acknowledgement of this and that is was "a mistake" or some-such. (This is from another uncited article. Sorry if my recollection on this is incorrect.)

5:40 pm on June 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

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...before you give this kind of advice, has it occurred to you that the Chinese government may interpret the use of such tools as criminal?

I'm not his mother. If he is being sent to a .cn domain because of autodetect of his geographical location the software will mask this. There's documentation on the site covering what you've talked about. Making someone aware of a potentially useful piece of software (that's easy to uninstall) is perfectly reasonable. If you're asking me to think for him, why would I? I'm sure he's got a better grasp of what constitutes criminal behaviour in China than either of us.

I know you probably will do anything to get in a dig at google, or help people defeat their procedures...

I'm very flattered you think I can help people beat Google's "procedures", but the procedure in question is probably based on autodetect code - and it ain't rocket science. There are many anonymizer type products out there that help with this very problem, many of them open source with plenty of documentation so you know what you're up to.

And the issue in question is probably more to do with the Chinese govs "procedures" than Google's, after all, they're just doing what they're told by their communist masters. If the guy wants to use google.com and something is preventing him then I'm happy to offer advice. He's free to ignore it.

8:15 pm on June 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Still cannot access google.com from here in the states
(an eventual dialog box states "... timed out")
8:21 pm on June 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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nube101
I suggest you start a new thread with your problem - it's nothing to do with this thread and you'll much more likely get attended to if you place your problem in its own thread.
Regards
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8:24 pm on June 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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From message #9:

> That isn't normal. You should check your computer for adware and spyware. Some spyware blocks access to major sites like Google.

Jim