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From what we read in the press at the moment, it seems that MSN has got the go ahead from congress to include MSNsearch as the default search engine in its forthcoming products. and seeing as most of the web use IE, that means google is going to lose a shedload of traffic.
and a lot of people are saying that MSNsearch is BETTER than google anyway (at least at the moment). it is certainly better for us webmasters, as it seems to spider and index pages quicker than google ever did - even when it was working okay.
also... google seems to be relying more and more on human factors in ranking the pages. ie, they use data from the google toolbar and cookies to see how long people stay on the sites etc.
but when MSN becomes the default search engine on people's PCs, along with all its toolbar users etc - it may be gathering data from about 50&-80% of web users! and that is a hell of lot more than google could ever hope to get. so we can assume MSN's engine is going to improve at the expense of google's (because google won't have so many users to draw data from)
the only downside with MSN at the moment, is that it doesn't bring in anywhere near the amount of traffic that google did. but when they bring out this default search engine stuff... maybe it will.
so do you think google will be the king of search engines in a year's time?
One thing I can predict is that Google will be at it's biggest, in terms of worldwide usage and share price, long after it is in serious decline.
On a personal note...I am hoping for a three way tie for the number one spot. That minimises my risk as a webmaster should any of the search engines decide to play their games with the rankings. It is unlikely they will all mess up at the same time.
We should ALL hope for this.
My clients are "not pleased" with the fact that their sites are still invisible in Google and the fact that i'm not able to give them a reasonable explanation.
These negative experiences will certainly not help Google in their upcoming struggle with MSN when IE 7 and Vista are launched.
However, I don't think google will fall within 1 years time. It takes a few years before people abandon their old heroes....
But google is not dead yet. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt... for now...
Well, remember what happened to Altavista which ruled search engine field completely - and suddenly disappeared from the spotlight.
I remember buying the altavista book.. :)
The biggest plus for Google's continuing dominance is that humans are are first lazy and secondly don't change habits that easily.
You could find everything you needed with altavista if you used AND OR and NEAR. Google gave you a non geeky lazy option branded as geeky and it was fast.
Big daddy certainly hasn't helped their situation.
It surely hasn't. It's really the first time I've seen this big of an uproar in the webmaster community.
We can't compare Google to AltaVista, there is nothing similar between them with the exception that both have claimed the "King of the Hill" title. AltaVista's downfall was on 1999 October 29, Monday or what some refer to as Black Monday.
If this were 1999 and Google had a Big Daddy update, they might have some serious issues to contend with right now. But, it's 2006 and Google has it's claws so far into search that it would take an act of a higher power to change that.
Personally? I think Google will possibly lose a little bit of market share due to this but it won't be long before those people come back as Google is the King of Traffic right now and probably will be for quite some time. There is such a large spread between Google and the other players that it is going to take a lot of time to balance those numbers out.
Number one in a year? Sure. Unless Yahoo! or MSN do something totally different.
I really don't think that having MSN Search as the default in the browser will make any difference. It's the default in my IE 6 - but I never use that Search button - I use either the Google toolbar or Yahoo Mail search box.
Don't you think if what you do is common Microshaft will take action to overcome it?
I do and I think that MS will reduce Google's dominance.
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I really don't think that having MSN Search as the default in the browser will make any difference. It's the default in my IE 6 - but I never use that Search button - I use either the Google toolbar or Yahoo Mail search box.
They may call more attention to the use of the search button in future IE releases.
One observation: I tried an IE search with a quoted song title, and it removed the quotes (and some of the query terms as well). I imagine this sort of thing will be fixed as users switch from other engines and bring their searching habits with them. (It worked correctly when typing the search into the MSN Search query field, although the results were not as comprehensive as G's or some of the other engines.)
One thing I can predict is that Google will be at it's biggest, in terms of worldwide usage and share price, long after it is in serious decline.
I wonder if that hasn't happened already.
Probably yes.
Nevertheless, when Vista comes out, that will certainly be the start in Google's market share decline.
Google became number one not because of the anti-Microsoft crowd, Unix administrators and everything in between.
Google became number one simply because it was the default search service in all AOL browsers.
Therefore, to maintain its market share, Google will have to convince a lot of OEM's to change the default search service in IE7.
Will Google convince DELL? I don't think so. DELL makes all of its money from selling WINTEL stuff.
So yes, it seems Vista's release will mark the start of Google's market share decline.