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5:57 am on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Now that some respected websites in UK are being hit by Google, I think I may have the chance to get some support from all the fellows in this Forum.

What about hit websites with contents in other languages than English?

I also have an authority website which has been hit in the first days of January of 2006. My website was a PR5 in a language where the maximum PageRank you find is 7. We never cared about Search Engines because everything worked as it should for 3 years.

Now, almost 3 months later I'll tell you what:
- We receive 0 Google traffic in a country where Google is used by EVERYBODY. This is, we are like a website disconnected from the Internet.
- I tried to contact Google by all means. The only answers I got were absolutelly useless from Google Support by e-mail, with a delay of 3 weeks.
- I tried to contact Matt Cutts by e-mail and never got any answer. Also tried to post in his blog and the only thing I got was to be called "spammer". (I posted twice in his blog, with 1 month of delay between the posts...)
- I saw BMW.de situation and others like everybody...
- I'm seeing GoogleGuy back in WebmasterWorld because some well respected websites in English/UK disappeared from SERPS.

So, to conclude, let me ask. What about non-English websites? Why some respected websites have a treatment and others don't?

Today we have have been hit HARD and only thing everybody tells us is "wait" and "fluctuations in SERPS are normal".

Somebody... Help? Hello?

5:12 pm on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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BMW had a penalty if I remember well. That takes mostly a limited time and you can do a reinclusion request when the site is cleaned from to much enthousiastic SEO work. If your site is not suffering from a penalty but is placed pages lower in the SERPS then you are maybe hit by some changes in the algoritm. Google will not change it's algoritm for your site if you bring it to their attention so you have to change the site if SERPS are important for your bussiness. Are all pages still indexed by Google (use the site: command)? Is the PR bar still showing PR? Did you change so many pages lately that you are sandboxed?
5:28 pm on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Tinus,

Why don't you post that in this thread [webmasterworld.com ]?

For some reason I bet that you won't do that, and THAT is the point! Why respected English sites have a treatment and the others don't?

Why BMW.de problem was back one week later while others have to wait 6 months even if they fix their problems next day and fill the reinclusion request? (I never had black hat problems because I don't use black hat tricks)

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5:34 pm on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>>>>- I'm seeing GoogleGuy back in WebmasterWorld because some well respected websites in English/UK disappeared from SERPS.

GoogleGuys appearance at the WebmasterWorld thread in question was nothing to do with just English/UK sites disappearing from the serps.... I know a number of posters in that thread who were referring to Non English Language sites - GG posts was referring to a problem that is not language related.

Google seemingly has had a problem for a long while and sites of all languages have been hit before this latest issue regarding supplementals.

Big Daddy will hopefully resolve a lot of issues - and certain structural changes look encouraging IMO - but nothing has happened in the serps as yet and the changeover seems to be taking a long while.

5:42 pm on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>Somebody... Help? Hello?

Tinus offered some advice and you have ignored his questions.... do you want help or not?

5:47 pm on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi Vampster,

I am afraid I don't understand what you mean. Why should I post in that threat? I was reponding on:
on your question <<Somebody... Help? Hello? >>

It is good to give some information if you want help. Just telling your PR5 site is an authority but alas Google is not threating it as one. This is not enough information to help you to find a reason/solution.

If you only need sympathy, you will have mine. Bad Google! Everybody should have a right on their position in the SERPS.

If it is advice you need, just wait till Big Daddy is finished before solving whatever problem your site has. I don't think language matters. I saw in my country authoritry sites recover fast after using Black Hat techniques. I know you think you didn't use black hat techniques but maybe something on a site triggers a penalty. With Google you are dealing with an algoritm mostly, not with a human.

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Tinus,

Google is not treating my website as an authority after do it for 3 years. From one moment to the other, we've moved to a new easier domain for the users which we own since the original website foundation and applied a 301 redirect from every single page of the old domain to the corresponding page in the new domain.

Everybody seems to think that Google problems handling 301 redirects are fixed but it's clear to me that they are not! If I own both domains (the original one and the new since I start the website), if the new domain was never used by no one until now, if the website structure hasn't change neither its contents, why after 3 months are we still out of the SERPS?

After the SES NYC 2006 I've added a robots.txt disallow to the old domain because in the round table someone told that would help: 301 redirect + robots.txt disallow in the old domain. What I got was loosing the almost none traffic I still had from Google.

It's clear that Google is thinking that old domains permanently redirected to new ones are the same which would be OK he updates its caches from the new domains in spite of still looking at the old domains or something...

Thanks for your sympathy, believe me that it helps... :(

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>>>>>Everybody seems to think that Google problems handling 301 redirects are fixed but it's clear to me that they are not!

Huh? Point me to a post where anyone has thought that Google handling of 301 redirects is fixed please.

I just read your posts at Matts blog and you have explained it as a 301/Canonical problem - people have had this problem for over a year - so 3 months is not long at all.

Big Daddy is supposed to fix this issue and from Matts comments it looks like the Big Daddy roll out needs to be completed prior to addressing this issue.

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Dayo_UK,

OK. So you have read my post in Matt Cutts. Just as a side note I'll tell you one thing. After Matt's first comment in his blog after my post he changed from "Leave a Comment" to "Leave a Comment (unless you are a spammer ;)" at the bottom of his blog.

About the post you asked me to quote. What about two posts of Matt Cutts?

Look at "Moving to a different domain" in [mattcutts.com ] and then [mattcutts.com ]. Now tell me what that means, please. 301 are working not that bad?

Thanks for your post. :)

Dayo_UK

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>>>>"Leave a Comment (unless you are a spammer ;) "

That my friend was a coincidence. Lol - he was more likely talking about me as I ask often about an update on Big Daddy :) - however as a Blog Owner he is more likely talking about Blog Spammers - if MC did not like your post he would have deleted it.

It means 301s can work.

You can tell by his writing that he recognizes that there are problems and he refers to the new infastructure that is being brought in (IE. Big Daddy).

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Dayo_UK,

Yeah... Now Matt got 2 spammers instead of 1. :P

 

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