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Googles link: function with and without the "www"

Does it really help me?

         

jimothy

9:48 pm on Jan 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I am trying to improve my page rank at the moment,and my limited understanding of googles pagerank says to me that the more relevant sites that link to me the better. Now, I have been using the link: tool in google to find out how many sites are linking to me, and I have discovered something which concerns me a little. If i put link:www.whatever.com I get 3 links to show up. if I put link: www.whatever.com I get loads.
Is this something to be concerned about or am I just being wet.
Any other tips for improving pagerank? lol

Thanks for your time in advance.

J

sem_scotty

12:43 am on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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i think you're saying one query is "link: www.whatever.com" and the other is "link: whatever.com", right?

if so, google sees these as two different sites, but only if you have it set up that way on your end.

anybody else?

jtbell

12:50 am on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have been using the link: tool in google to find out how many sites are linking to me,

Bad idea. Google's "link:" search is useless as a tool for tracking incoming links. It shows only a small sample of the links that Google actually knows about and uses in its PageRank calculations. Google has deliberately crippled it to make it more difficult for site owners to "game" the algorithms.

europeforvisitors

1:04 am on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)



I think you meant to say: " If I put link:whatever.com I get 3 links to show up. if I put link: www.whatever.com I get loads." (Or maybe vice versa.)

Based on my experience, this could mean that Google is seeing whatever.com and www.whatever.com as separate sites. This could lead to duplicate-content problems down the road, unless you place a 301 redirect in your .htaccess file to redirect non-www URLs to the www versions (or vice versa, if your preference is not to use the "www").

Here's code that should work in .htaccess (assuming that you have an Apache server) to redirect non-www URLs to www:

Options +FollowSymLinks -Indexes
RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond ${HTTP_HOST} .
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^sitename\.com
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ [sitename.com...] [R=301,L]
rewriteCond %{THE_REQUEST} ^.*\/index\.shtml
rewriteRule ^(.*)index\.shtml$ [sitename.com...] [R=301,L]

(Ignore the underlining in the code above; the Webmaster World forum software added that.)

You'll find variations on this if you look at past threads on the "canonical" topic here and in the Apache forum.

Caution: Before editing your .htaccess file, be sure that you have a backup copy of the existing version saved where you won't mess it up by mistake (just in case you make a typo or things don't work as planned).

And a disclaimer: I'm not an Apache expert; the above code was culled from past threads on the www vs. non-www topic. If you have any questions, you'll need to ask someone who's more Apache-literate than I am.

europeforvisitors

1:14 am on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)



Addendum: Once you've implemented the redirect, it may take a month or two until you see identical numbers for link:www.whatever.com and link:whatever.com.

jimothy

8:20 am on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the reply guys, but the difference between the two was a space in betwee the : and the w
Would this have any bearing?

jtbell

3:56 pm on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If you search on "link:www.example.com" (no space), Google performs a link search and gives you a small sample of pages that contain links to www.example.com.

If you search on "link: www.example.com" (with a space), Google performs an ordinary text search and gives you pages that contain the words "link" and "www.example.com" somewhere in the visible text on the page. Of course, if "www.example.com" appears as visible text on a page, it is often the anchor text of a link to www.example.com, but not necessarily. Simply mentioning a domain name is not the same as linking to it.

jimothy

4:19 pm on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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aaaah. I see.
So the first one is most relevant.
OK. Is there any info on improving pagerank floating around? I am workin on the thesis that the more relevant sites linking to you the better, and also the number of click throughs on your required criteria the better as well?
Any tips?

otech

4:22 pm on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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thats the thesis, quality links from relevant pages will increase your pagerank, which is 1 part of the infinite puzzle to ranking well ;-)

the best links are ones from sites that themselves rank well, and in particular gov/edu sites are gold if you can get them.

ie, if you sell widgets to a university - try to get the university to link to your site from a page on their sitethat discusses those widgets.

sound tricky - it is!

jimothy

4:30 pm on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Please forgive my naivity, but what the hell are widgets?

europeforvisitors

5:06 pm on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)



Please forgive my naivity, but what the hell are widgets?

"Widget" is a generic nickname for "things" or "objects" (kind of like "stuff").

Investorwords.com defines "widget" as "a hypothetical product used to illustrate a business concept."

spainly

5:10 pm on Jan 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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europeforvisitors:

Addendum: Once you've implemented the redirect, it may take a month or two until you see identical numbers for link:www.whatever.com and link:whatever.com.

i redirected with 301 ( i checked it twice ) more than 10 months ago, and i just don't see non www disappear, they are now just "supplemental result". What can be the reason for Google not obeying 301 and deleting it?