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For some unknown reason, this spam site gets indexed before we do, so it appears to Google that WE are stealing THEIR stuff. (Our theory is that they are either using Google Sitemap or that their GoogleAds get them indexed faster.)
We can conclusively prove that we are the original copyright owners of our content and have hired an attorney to proceed on DMCA. However, the lawyer is a cautious person and has been dilligently gathering information for the DMCA prosecution--in other words, it will take at least a week before DMCA notices will go out.
In the meantime, I'm seeing PR drops in the latest Jagger update. Since we don't do any SEO tricks to our site other than adding articles, I believe we are being penalized because we're considered the "spam" mirror of our competitor instead of the other way around.
I have two questions:
1. Are there other ways besides DMCA notices to get Google to take a look at the site? I considered using the spamreport at Google but wasn't sure if that is the appropriate place to air the grievance.
2. Even if Google complies with the DMCA and remove the other website from its index, will Google go back and reexamine our PR and fix any unfair damage that has been inflicted by the competitor's website?
aeiouy, I'm not quite sure how they are getting our content. Of course, I'm not the most tech-savvy guy in the world. *grin*
Contractor, that's good to know. I always assumed PR takes duplication into consideration, but I'm glad to learn that I was wrong. The reason why we used a lawyer is because our boss is really mad. Not only does he want the offending page removed from the index, but he also wants to sue the offender for damages. I personally think he will never see a dime, but people do strange things when they see their labor of love get stolen I guess.
Kaled, that's good advice. I'll pass that along.
This is excellent advice. The first time I had someone stealing my content I spent a lot of time trying to deal with the site itself. Total waste of time and energy. Now I just send the site a copy of the e-mail I sent the hosting company. Also, most hosting companies have 800 numbers now and a phone call can do wonders.
Every so often one of the hosting companies will respond that they will not take any action until they get a letter from a lawyer. Basically calling your bluff. Be ready for this and overnight them a letter the same day, make sure it's registered so they have to sign for it. Many lawyers will now do this sort of thing for free with an agreement that they get a percentage of possible damages. Most hosting companies understand that these damages can get quite large and will fold to pressure quickly.
Make sure your site has ©1997-2005 Name.... All Rights Reserved on every page.
This way you can start protecting yourself and if you feel the damages done by your competitor warrents a cease and desist letter, or engaging an attorney go ahead.
Perhaps this might help you: [google.com...]
I know Google says to submit only once using the root of the domain but there is no harm in submitting individual pages.
You could also put up a page but don't initially link to it from your site (so your competitor can't find it.) Hopefully, Google would spider it using the submit tool above or by sitemaps after which you could link to it from your site. Not the strongest ideas but something to consider anyway.
Best of luck, go get the thieves.
joined:Dec 1, 2003
Also when you publish the article put the date and time at the top of article. Then do an rss feed of the article straight away and submit it to atom yahoo and all the other rss engines.
I will try all these strategies and hopefully give this thief what he (or she) deserves. :)
P.S. Is this the right way to ban the IP address?
From my webhost's help files:
How do I block certain IPs from accessing my site or directory?
It's pretty easy!
All you have to do is create an .htaccess file in the directory you'd like to restrict (your main directory to restrict the entire site) and then put the following in it:
allow from all
deny from 220.127.116.11
deny from 124.24.
You can put whole ips or just the beginning part you'd like to match, and you can add more and more ips, each with its own line!
When somebody's ip is banned, they will get a 403 error (access forbidden) when trying to visit your site.
I have a client who has a competitor who is constantly posting an article around the internet written by my client years ago and claiming he (the competitor) wrote it. We have 3rd party proof of the true ownership and also proof via the webarchive -- which usually is enough proof.
We have to chase these stolen articles down almost every week and request they are either taken down or credited to the right author.
About 1/3 of the time they take them down,about 1/3 of the time they change the credits, and another 1/3 of the time the hosts insist on our filing a DMCA report.
We even managed to get a website taken down that had posted this article on the home page (it's sole purpose was to direct that site to the main home page of this competitor). The host took the article down after we sent a DMCA report but the owner refuted it so the host put it back up. Host said we'd have to take them to court to get it down again. However, we also reported them to the Google Spam Report, Yahoo Spam and MSN Spam, and everywhere else we could think of.
Most importantly we reported them to the company that monitors registration of domain names (which I can't remember- search for Internic False Domain Report) because the owner of the site harboring the stolen article had filed false contact info (and we believe the name also and the host admited they filed a false name but wouldn't confirm our suspicions of who it really was) . When they were doing this for illegal purposes it appears they lost their domain. We never heard from that domain regulating company but the site went down 15 days after we reported it and that was the deadline when they said they would look into it.
This would be a helpful tool but first does not mean ownership. Ownership is upon the CREATION of the content by the individual or entity that created it. This ownership may be transfered upon agreement. Just because it was found on someone else's site first does not mean that they are the creater/owner of the material.
That is why it is important to file for Federal Copyright Protection before you distribute the content (putting it on your site). OF course this does cost bling to do.
You could even (shock, horror) write an old-fashioned letter.
Just the facts, no whinging, no special pleading. Make it easy for them to understand the issue; no one likes reading a thousands words of blather to find the point.
I reckon a lot of webmasters go wrong by writing long-winded, screechy emails to the wrong addresses. Overworked, bored techs won't give these much thought.
[Take the] unique content which you plan to post on your site on paper along with the ©, year and all rights reserved and put it in an envelope and mail it to yourself. You then have a post mark showing a date which will be stong proof that you wrote the content (text) first.
This process is called "the poor man's copyright", and is of dubious evidentiary value.
For instance, if you file your copyright-infringement claim in the US, it has already been established that your postmarked envelope will have no legal standing.