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The question is, Is this site in G's sandbox? How long does it take for a site to break out of the sandbox? How will I know when my site gets out of the sandbox?
No kidding? You get a couple of hits a day from google? Wow...don't know what I'd do if I ever saw the name google in my tracking logs. Faint and fall out.
Thank the Lord there is msn and yahoo. but I keep hearing google provides roughly 3 times those 2 combined.
Tell you what is funny tho. Google has done well at indexing my site for a while now. Last month it has hit my main page at least every 2 days. Sometimes every day and updating the cache. Last week it has recached 5 times. LOL! Google's bot is the only thing really eating my bandwidth!
How a site percolates through this sandbox? Which bell will ring when the site breaks through? Are there any bells? Does this bell only ring during an update or right after an update?
Google views websites like fine red wine - they're not ready for consumption until they've aged a bit
Yes. This long sentence is popularly called as Sandbox in short :)
How long does it take for a site to break out of the sandbox? How will I know when my site gets out of the sandbox?
If you have already spent 8 months, in all probability, the next major update your site should be ranking where it deserves to be. If it does, you will know either by keywords that you track ranking better or by traffic logs.
So perhaps you leave the sandbox after getting enough quality inbound links comparing to how competitive the keyphrase is.
Other people say the other way round - that you're sandboxed if you get too many links too fast - but site I'm talking about is sandboxed even if I didn't spam blogs or exchange links :)) Instead, I'm waiting for DMOZ inclusion of this site and try to get only quality links from related sites, and hope it will start appearing eventually.
Been playing in the sandbox for about 8 months too.
The sad part is it appears the sandbox time period is starting to lenghten for new sites. First we heard 4 to 6 months, now we are hearing 8 to 12 months and more.
The interesting thing about it all is I am starting to see these other engines starting to play the same game too.
Little things like alexa wont have your sites image up, getting crappy referral links on minor keywords and not your main etc....not just Google everywhere.
I think when you are out you are out everywhere almost all at the same time.
I have witness others when they got out were overwhelmed will traffic/sales and it all happened the same time from every direction. So when you are out you will know it.
If you ask me I think there was some type of convention where all the engines got together and decided this is how things are going to be.
I noticed (a number of months ago now, but it may still be the case) that sites in the ODP, that had toolbar PR, and were in the "sandbox" showed a white directory PR and were listed at the bottom of the category, not ranked by PR as the rest are.
If someone is keeping an eye on a site that meets these requirements perhaps they could update us as to wether or not this is still the case, I'll look around and see if i can see anything.
stargeek. My site meets your requirements, however it looks perfectly normal in the google directory. Page rank indicator appears normal and it's sorted by pagerank - not at the bottom of the listing.
I launched a fairly niche subject site in Feb 2004. Got some good on-topic backlinks of PR no higher than 4. It was struggling for a month (sandbox?), then bombed out in March (I think due to a Google update/algo shift) then reappeared in April and has gone from strength to strength. Most competition in keywords is about 3.5 million though. It's also more academic than commercial in its general style/content.
Getting into ODP (4 months ago) also helped, in the sense of results that only made page 2 previously are now on page 1.
I never really noticed any "coming out of the sandbox" type thing, unless unknown to me it's still in the sandbox!
How long before the people that use google for searching figure this out and start using the competition like MSN or Yahoo.
In the past, google was the best because it had the most Up-to-date results. Obviously that is no longer the case. Is definitely not the most up to date.
Everybody says "how long will it take to get out of the sandbox?", but I think people should be asking themselves, "would my site pass a manual review for relevancy and worth?"
Maybe this is one of the keys to coming out of the sandbox.....
Sandboxed sites are in the index but fail to rank well on targeted and/or competitive searches.
He also said the sandbox existed for the sole purpose of keeping spammers out (because a spammer can make alot of money on Google, and they used to). The reason MSN and Yahoo do not have this sandbox is because Google is the market leader. That I believe....but to beat the sandbox with a fee sounds unfair...however, is it true?
[edited by: chopin2256 at 6:36 pm (utc) on Sep. 23, 2005]