My site has been First Now vanished from Google

My site has been the first of its kind, I drop off Google

[sabine7777]

For the past year I have experienced periodically being completely dropped off Google. My site has been the FIRST of its kind and is in all the natural search results on the first spot. I'm just a small business, but since spet of 2004 I have been vanishing off of Google every 6 weeks or so--recently it has been more often and for longer periods. Does Google discriminate against Older sites? Are they doing it so that we will advertise with them? Any help, advice, comment from a desperate single mother of 4!

[stargeek]

you can see the 66.102.9.104 changes by adding some
-kjhsdk -ewriu -weriuwer -oiuere type arguments to a search on google.com.

[wiseapple]

Posted the following over at Matt Cutt's blog:

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“We use titles and descriptions in our sub sections to introduce contents of our articles which is the same as the title and description on the top of our articles and related articles as well as the meta title and descritpion.”

I am monitoring many sites which use the same setup as above and seem to have a penalty or filter. Is this practice considered bad? Could this trigger a duplicate content penalty or filter? Would appreciate your comments.
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Here are the things I have noticed with our site:

- "Site:" command produces wild numbers. Sometimes 10X the number of actual pages.

- Many pages were in the supplemental index.

- Pages in the supplemental had cache dates back to Nov. and Dec. 2004.

*** The "&filter=0" is really doing something. If I append to a given search, my pages/site ends up back where it was before something happened on Feb. 2nd. I am not talking minor jumps. For one search term, I go from somewhere in the hundreds back to number six. On another, I go from eleven to number one. This was the case before a "filter" was applied. I am surprised there is not further discussion of this "filter" command.

[djmick200]

Just checking 66.102.9.104 now.

Im seeing a few changes there to.

If i search "djmicks widgets" nowhere worth talking. do it again and add &filter=0 my position is #4 on this DC. Doing the filter on other DCs it is still showing its pre 22nd place of #1.

soapystar
Im not suggesting anything hence my "lol ;-)"

[edited by: djmick200 at 1:20 pm (utc) on Sep. 26, 2005]

[ltedesco]

It looks the same to me too

[stargeek]

try a search for
weapons of mass destruction on
66.102.9.99
or 66.102.9.104
or
out of touch executives

[cleanup]

Reseller,

He,He, Well at least that shows us how easy it is to pick up a dupe penalty without knowing it..;)

I'll change Fat Lady for Large Woman!

Soapystar, - locked thread and filter
Yes I noticed the exact same thing..mabe just coincidence?

[djmick200]

try a search for
weapons of mass destruction on
66.102.9.99
or 66.102.9.104

same results on both the above for me but not the same here 216.239.59.98

[stargeek]

216.239.59.98
looks exactly like google.com to me for weapons of mass destruction and miserable failure.

also I'm seeing the extra Google Sitemaps related links dissapearing on the updated DC's.

[diddlydazz]

some of the comments (and SERPS) remind of the mess that was made in Feb 05

some of the whitehat sites that got hit with that update never recovered (nor did the SERPS) until june, some even later.

just looks like it has affected different WebmasterWorld members this time

probably including some of those who were saying that "all is well" at google in mid Feb.

if your site is not top in google for your own unique domain name, for example: myuniquedomainname then maybe google are messing about with the same stuff as last time.

(IBM wasn't top for IBM at one point)

anyone being hit that was hit in Feb 05?

dazz

[Dayo_UK]

>>>some of the whitehat sites that got hit with that update never recovered (nor did the SERPS) until june, some even later.

Or not at all.

[stargeek]

dazz:
this doesn't look like anything to do with onpage optimization, as I said before this looks plainly like a change in valuation of external vs internal links.

time to fire up the link farms.

[edited by: stargeek at 1:41 pm (utc) on Sep. 26, 2005]

[diddlydazz]

dayo_uk

Or not at all.

sorry to hear that, we still have one MIA but was putting that down to something else.

dazz

[stargeek]

the updated DC's also seem to have fewer pages in the total results numbers.

[diddlydazz]

this doesn't look like anything to do with onpage optimization

couldn't agree more!

for those who are rushing to change things on their pages, unless there is something slightly dodgy you have done since the last update then leave well alone!

if your sites are whitehat and unique content then my advice would be to carry on building your sites, turn your attention to another SE, and forget about G for at least a couple of weeks.

it doesnt look like this is over by a long shot yet.

anyone without 301 redirects setup for nonWWW/WWW or vice versa then find the time to add them.

dazz

[np2003]

Google is attempting to ban a lot of sites ranking in at high positions, they are doing this to drive their Adwords revenue up. Google is no longer about good search results, its all about driving revenue UP to meet Wallstreet expectations, this in turn increases their share price so they can sell out before it tanks, its only a matter of time before Microsoft will destroy them.

Ask yourself, with the amount of click fraud occuring, why aren't Google doing anything about it? Because it makes them money.

They use to have my respect but now they're just plain greedy. I guess they don't realize that most of their "early" referrals and cause of buzz was from webmasters and experts a-like. Another looksmart coming I fear.

[edited by: np2003 at 1:49 pm (utc) on Sep. 26, 2005]

[stargeek]

"tt doesnt look like this is over by a long shot yet."
agreed - "66.102.7.104" looks like google.com again

[taps]

dazz:
my site had been hit in February, came back in May and was hit this time again.

As I stated before, a problem with my robots.txt made Googlebot crawl duplicate pages again (print versions).

I deleted those dupes via URL removal console and am waiting to recover. I desperately hope that this wouldn't take three months again.

[diddlydazz]

np2003

lots of WebmasterWorld members have felt the same frustration and anger as you are probably feeling right now. (check out the Feb 05 threads)

there is nothing anyone can say to make you feel better, but this update/pre-update is nowhere near over IMO

i hope you have some better news soon

dazz

[diddlydazz]

my site had been hit in February, came back in May and was hit this time again

did you make any changes between feb and may?

dazz

[stargeek]

I'm seeing more than two sets of data, some with the additional google sitemaps links in the snippets, some without.
also the allinanchor command is showing different results on the updated DCs