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HayMeadows

5:54 am on Aug 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Lots of reason to be watching WebmasterWorld this week!

caveman

4:04 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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the major updates install the new dials, and then in the days and weeks that follow, Google twiddles those dials along with their older controls.

Problem is:
Fewer dials = more clarity & control
More dials = less clarity & control

At this point they have so many dials that I doubt anyone knows how to control the machine anymore, or even what effect turning a given dial might have.

My guess: Some of the labels fell off of the duplicate content dials one night, and a well intentioned janitor put them back in the wrong places. ;-)

whatley

4:15 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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well lets hope they put the stickers back on the right dials and sort this out

europeforvisitors

4:41 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)



Do you like what you see ;-)

Changes are minimal for the keywords and keyphrases that I watch (at least for the top 10 results).

subway

4:55 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>> Changes are minimal for the keywords and keyphrases that I watch

Same here, almost no changes at all - all travel related.

Iguana

4:59 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing changes in music - my RSS feeds are now often indented under the pages that they are on - and I've never seen RSS in the top 10 that I can remember.

giggle

5:04 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Same with us, traffic has dropped 40%+ in the past week or so. Seems to have picked up a wee bit today. I sure hope the tide is turning now...

Nikke

6:04 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The one site that I do that was hit by Bourbon is still sinking on the two above servers. For other sites I do the flux is just noticable.

Older sites seem to be doing better than new sites. That's all.

reseller

8:38 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi Folks

For my testing keyphrases, two more DCs;

64.233.185.99

64.233.185.104

have followed the two DCs mentioned in my previous post msg #:26 on this thread;

64.233.187.99

64.233.187.104

How about you? do you notice the same for your own testing keywords/keyphrases?

oddsod

8:56 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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They're showing the same results as the previous two.

But if this is an update it's not just the 302 problem that's not fixed. A site:mysite.com -www still shows a lot of [mysite.com...] pages though it was 301ned from the non-www to the www months ago and all the pages have been spidered since.

If it's an update it's early days so maybe there's still hope.

reseller

9:19 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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oddsod

In my case, I could see on the four mentioned DCs, 4 new supplemental results when run site:www.mysite.dk

They look very strange and I went to the removal tools and submitted all the 4 (Remove a single page using meta tags).

www.mysite.dk/page1?B
www.mysite.dk/page2?BB
www.mysite.dk/page3?B
www.mysite.dk/page4?a name

Maybe someone somewhere have linked to my 4 pages in that strange way (could be for tracking purposes).

reseller

9:33 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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More DCs are following the "changes" though they are not stable yet:

64.233.179.99

64.233.179.104

Folks! are we watching an update in real-time? ;-)

Bed time....

Good night and God bless...

nsqlg

10:12 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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More DCs are following the "changes" though they are not stable yet:

64.233.179.99

64.233.179.104

Folks! are we watching an update in real-time? ;-)

Bed time....

Looks same to me, can be just a normal everflux...

Good night and God bless...

Yeah :)

BillyS

10:22 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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OK, here is one for the update thread...

I am seeing very different result for keywords that I follow from Google in India. Don't flame me if this is some kind of known fact, but I see very different results there:

64.233.161.147

I noticed this because I was getting quite a few referrals from that site. After checking several keywords, this appears to be a different set of results.

reseller

5:18 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Good morning Folks

I see the new results (and changes) of my testing keyphrases which have started to show yesterday on these two DCīs

64.233.187.99

64.233.187.104

propagating to several other DCs.

Is it an update?

Is it a reshuffling?

Is it an everflux?

Whats going on?

Dayo_UK

7:36 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi Reseller

I am seeing that movement too.

However, I have seen so many false dawns lately that I no longer wake up hoping to see the sun ;)

Worth keeping an eye on though.

Dayo

jaffstar

8:29 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have checked about 10 keywords across 52 data centers; I see them all the same.

In the past two days, I have noticed some keywords go up/down by 1/2 places though.

Nothing to get excited about here!

Iguana

8:40 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Changes are quite big in some areas - e.g. my main page has entered the Top 1000 at #13 (phrase with 93 Million results). It last enjoyed that position Aug 15 2004 and has been MIA ever since.

I can see no changes when I look for positions for 2 other sites.

I noticed a strange pre-Update dance in certain keyword ares before Brandy - could be an interesting weekend.

larryhatch

9:05 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No changes worth mentioning in my small niche. -Larry

reseller

9:29 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Still awaiting for our good friend at the plex; GoogleGuy to "update" us ;-)

whatley

9:43 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have two sites both Travel related - for one the SERPS are the same no really change at all - the other looks as if someone has taken an axe at - loads of historic sites in the top 20 have gone!

I will say that most of the sites that have gone are all resellers of the same company, their site has also disappeared as well. Could G be penalising sites for the reseller that they use?

johnhh

9:48 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No many changes here either.

Famous last words...

<edited for spelling>

ska_demon

10:13 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Do we not normally see a change to toolbar pr prior to an update?

I don't see a huge difference in my field at the moment. Nothing more than the usual daily switchabouts.

Ska

oddsod

10:16 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>> Do we not normally see a change to toolbar pr prior to an update?

Do we?

Marketing Guy

10:21 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Nope. SERP updates are more frequent than TB updates.

reseller

11:08 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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whatley

>>I will say that most of the sites that have gone are all resellers of the same company, their site has also disappeared as well. Could G be penalising sites for the reseller that they use? <<

Most probably, Yes. Especially if there is no value added on such sites. I recall GoogleGuy mentioning something to that effect too.

whatley

11:58 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Reseller,

I hope that its not true! The only thing that most people add to the sites to add value is other products or general information - nothing taht you can't get elsewhere really.

The guys that dominate my industry are actually a reseller of the same company that has dropped out, but they use XML feeds rather than a white labeled system hosted by the other company - we are in the process of building our own system, but I guess it was not soon enough.

Could this be the end of the reseller?!

reseller

1:09 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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whatley

>>Reseller,

I hope that its not true! The only thing that most people add to the sites to add value is other products or general information - nothing taht you can't get elsewhere really.<<

You may wish to view what GoogleGuy wrote in this connection:

msg #:69
[webmasterworld.com...]

>>Could this be the end of the reseller?! <<

No of course not. I donīt hope so.

The problem as I see it is that there has been no developement in the affiliate program industry in general and affiliate marketing in particular.

The tools that most affiliate programs vendors make available to affiliates are out-dated. Also methods of affiliate marketing are still the same as for example year 2000.

Vendors and resellers alike need to adopt to changes, including SE indexing and ranking and develope materials and methods accordingly.

whatley

1:45 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Reseller, very true in what you say about lack of development. There are a few sites that I know of that are really pushing the comparison systems, but that is about it in terms of offering the customer something different.

Most companies that offer reselling packages love the fact that they get other people to do work for the in terms of finding customers, but it also helps that company in brand building, acculimlation of user data, and allows you a bigger audience on the industry but allowing other sites to market the product for them.

As you said affiliate marketing doesn't really have that much development, but the people I see making developments are really making gains on the industries that they allpy themseleves too - I see one site in particular in the UK really pushing the comparison system, and now applying it to new areas of business.

nutsandbolts

2:29 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It must be some sort of update... after all, my new website has just been put in the sandbox. Horrar. Thanks once again G....

europeforvisitors

3:14 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)



I will say that most of the sites that have gone are all resellers of the same company, their site has also disappeared as well. Could G be penalising sites for the reseller that they use?

No, they're just trying to clean up duplicate content. Remembr, Google's stated mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible. If the same information is available in the same form on a dozen or a hundred sites (boilerplate affiliate or catalog pages, for example), why should Google want to list it more than once? That may be a job for Froogle, but not for the main Google index.

Hotel affiliate sites are a good example of "duplicate content clutter." Look up the Hotel Whatsis in Rome, and you'll probably find a hundred or more affiliate pages that have exactly the same descriptions. From Google's point of view, it makes perfect sense to scrub those boilerplate pages from the index, because they just litter the SERPs with duplicate content that makes it harder for users to find information that they haven't already seen.

If the affiliate or dealer adds value (to use GoogleGuy's phrase), that's a whole different story. Offhand, I can think of at least one hotel affiliate site that adds a great deal of value by having its own detailed multipage descriptions of hotels with photos, maps, etc. It deserves to do well in Google, and it does do well in Google, because it's providing useful original content instead of just regurgitating a vendor-supplied page of hype and bullet points.

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