Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi
Sure, this sounds like sour grapes, but since May 21, traffic and revenue dropped off a cliff. It's no longer worthwhile to update my site. Just as an explanation, I took what was once a subscription-based service in password protected pages and converted to publicly available pages with adsense. It was good, increasing income every month until Bourbon devastated it.
I've tried what I reasonably could but am at a point now that I am seriously considering chucking the entire site as the revenue isn't even worth thining about at this point. Anybody who has any reasonable ideas, please post or sticky me.
Bummed out and depressed...
So what? Does this mean that we're really completely addicted to a random machine?
is it possible that Google could make the SERPS bad (at least temporarily) to increase it's revenue by paying webmasters? Sure it's possible.
Not "bad" SERPs, necessarily. Just different often enough to keep all of us wondering. Those of us who rely totally on our websites for a living have to seriously consider buying good rankings by paying for AW. It's the only way to put control in our own hands on a search engine with SERPs that are so volatile.
Is it likely? Ping me when Bernie Ebbers takes over Google, or when Google starts missing Wall Street's expectations quarter after quarter.
That's kinda the point. They don't wanna miss Wall St. expectations or let their shareholders down. Since nearly 100% of their revenues come from AW, the dots are not that hard to connect.
We disappeared from the SERP's on June 16th and re appeared last week back to the rankings we had pre- June 16th. But on the two DC's you posted our rankings are what they were during the period we disappeared. We are buried deep in the SERP's on those two DC's...
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But the strange thing, I check my google listing lots of times a day and some times I saw my websites on the top sometimes in the 10th page.
5 or 6 days past I always see my website in different SERP's sometimes in the first page the other times in the 10th page.
what is the reason for that?
I meant that a lot of AW advertisers probably increase their allocation to have ads placed in Google search results pages and away from the content network (non-Google sites). That obviously means that G keeps the ad revenues and doesn't have to share with any AS publishers. We can quibble over whether or not it's in any way related to all the SERPs upheavals, but either way, it benefits G in terms of AW revenues. That certainly makes their shareholders happy.
Let us not forget Search payments to network members that are not content publishers. Like AOL or BLW.
While my trust level for large corporations is (to say the very least) rather low, it is of importance to Google to have many eyes see its ADs, users going through pages of search results won't do it, because they don't go through pages of search results.
The McDonald generation is what drives this, if it isn't on page one it doesn't exist for the Google demographic.
If however you get their attention then you can feed them all kinds of ADs.
That is what the content side can do.
Google could in an instant cut out every one but themselves from showing the ads.
I don't think they can deliver enough eyeballs or clicks to do the job, do you?
This is probably why there is a program to start with.
5 or 6 days past I always see my website in different SERP's sometimes in the first page the other times in the 10th page. what is the reason for that?
showtime, I just wrote in another thread msg#2 [webmasterworld.com] something about the way the datacenter is selected when you query www.google.com. Not all datacenters use the same dataset and search algorithm and you are connected to different datacenters on different times of the day.
I thougt as you said. But which result is showing my true search ranking? wont it be stable?
We know by now that some major "thing" happened on 22nd July 2005. Several posts on this thread confirm that.
I wish to ask of your qualified guess; what was it?
- was it an update?
- was it a major shuffling?
- or was it just the traditional everflux after Bourbon update?
Thanks.
I wish to ask of your qualified guess; what was it?
Another glitch if you ask me. Looks like data centres syntonization issues. Different serps for different DCs changing by the hour...consistently over almost two months now.
Almost look like some DCs are runing an old version of ranking algo while others run a newer bug riddled version. Hence the wiled fluctuations.
And it makes more AW $$ this way.....WHY fix it ;)
IMO - we are seeing attempts to fix a bug in Google - and these attempts have been made for the last few months - 22nd was just a more noticable attempt at a fix. (For some)
Reseller - dont know if this is the case for your site - but sometimes with Google things need to go backwards before going forwards (or get worse before getting better).
Dont want to give false optimism though.
The things that I have noticed and would like to know whether they are consisitent with other members who seem to be affected are as follows.
The site ranks on page 4 when I search for mydomainname
Returns at number 1 for mydomainname.com
Returns on page 4 for "mydomainname.com"
For all previous listings that my site appeared on page 1 of google results I now appear on page 4 or 5.
The other thing, which I don't know if relevant or not, is that the cache date on my site is now later than usual. Normally a cache date appears every 2 weeks but we now stand at nearly 3 weeks old. I have noticed many other sites with very old cache date lately too, many over 1 month, anyone think that this could be a factor?
Thanks in advance!
An incremental quality improvement.
Oddly, my main SERP has remained within the top 10 on the UK only search whilst nearly every single other SERP that the site used to command, such as the company name and main phrase, a something that most people link to the site with as the title, went south.
Thanks for your feedback. Much appreciated.
So now we have the following suggestions to what happened 22nd July 2005.
- another glitch. Looks like data centres syntonization issues.
- a limited update.
- we are seeing attempts to fix a bug in Google.
- an incremental quality improvement.
Still missing feedback of our good friend at the plex GoogleGuy and for which I should thank him in advance ;-)
On 23rd July, my site seemed to be affected by this update, but was it?The things that I have noticed and would like to know whether they are consisitent with other members who seem to be affected are as follows.
The site ranks on page 4 when I search for mydomainname
Returns at number 1 for mydomainname.com
Returns on page 4 for "mydomainname.com"
For all previous listings that my site appeared on page 1 of google results I now appear on page 4 or 5.
The other thing, which I don't know if relevant or not, is that the cache date on my site is now later than usual. Normally a cache date appears every 2 weeks but we now stand at nearly 3 weeks old. I have noticed many other sites with very old cache date lately too, many over 1 month, anyone think that this could be a factor?
Thanks in advance!
Carbon copy of what seems to have happened to one of my oldest and (until now, anyway) most stable sites. However, it occurred to this site on July 16th.
Not really worried though....these things usually sort themselves out in a few weeks or so - in the meantime, plenty of other traffic sources out there ;-)
This ip was also the first that I saw to have updated cache dates in the serps. It appears that the cache date has been updated in most of the ips now.
For people that made it out of the sandbox with bourbon, are you still out?
Anyone else experience this?
>I have no idea what's going on, seeing that my site is more relevant than the one's ahead of me and not to mention that I have a higher PR.<
Since 3rd Feb 2005 rankings of sites on Google serps are not related to quality and relevancy.
It seems that Google has adopted "democratic" search policy:
"Every site should have its own 5 minutes of fame on top of the serps regardless of quality or relevancy"
This is to thank The Google Team for a prompt (within 24 hours) specific reply to my inquiry regarding sudden drop of Google´s referral on 22nd July 2005.
The only thing I can mention about the reply is that there is still hope that my site regain its previous ranking.
Lets wait and see ;-)
Care to enlight us more on "there is still hope" - or was it very much a case of we cant recommend on a site to site basis - sites go up and down, rankings change etc type reply.
>24 hour reply reseller - that is good going.<
I was positively surprised too ;-)
>Care to enlight us more on "there is still hope" - or was it very much a case of we cant recommend on a site to site basis - sites go up and down, rankings change etc type reply.<
Actually I asked a specific question and they graciously replied.
Why do google thinkg all new sites are crap...
Because 99.99% of them are.
Actually I asked a specific question and they graciously replied.
Reseller;
Please give us more details!
