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Publishing Pages Before the Content is Ready

Seeding links pages with "Lorem ipsum filler" type text to have Toolbar PR.

         

JudgeJeffries

10:36 pm on Jul 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I do link exchanges but limit the outgoing to 50 per page. The pages soon get full and if I create a new links page it has PR0 at first. Notwithstanding a PR4 site and the fact that on the next update the links page will go to PR3 (they always do) I find a lot of webmasters wont exchange unless the page has PR. Asking them to be patient for a month or two is usually a waste of time.
With this problem in mind I've started creating about ten pages in advance and instead of leaving them blank and possibly incurring a duplicate problem I've filled each one with different lorem ipsum.
Is this a problem in any respect?

Clint

11:43 am on Jul 4, 2005 (gmt 0)



I don't see how the pages can jump to a PR3 that quickly. Are your link partners linking to THOSE links pages, or your home page?

I wouldn't put random text on the pages nor that lorem ipsum text verbatim since the SE's may see it in a negative way. I'd put text on the page that actually states what the page is, like "For future link partners" or something like that. I don't see though how that is going to get a PR3 since PR is based upon those that link to the page.

sit2510

1:09 pm on Jul 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You don't have to fill each page with different Lorem ipsum although I don't think they would cause you any harm. You can simply add one or a few potential links on each page in advance with link texts and description, so when these link pages are ready, then you can leap forward with these links and others. I often do that and would not worry about giving free links first.

aris1970

1:09 pm on Jul 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I wouldn't put random text on the pages nor that lorem ipsum text verbatim since the SE's may see it in a negative way. I'd put text on the page that actually states what the page is, like "For future link partners" or something like that.

Clint is very correct. It's better to publish some content describing what this page will include in the future.

I don't see though how that is going to get a PR3 since PR is based upon those that link to the page.

Clint, I am sure you missed the internal links :)

With this problem in mind I've started creating about ten pages in advance and instead of leaving them blank and possibly incurring a duplicate problem I've filled each one with different lorem ipsum.
Is this a problem in any respect?

I would never do such thing, so I don't have any experience as I find it very dangerous.

Generally, I suggest that you create few pages in order to give them PR, but publish also some real content there until the links and their descriptions go online (few sentences would be enough!).

SebastianX

8:01 am on Jul 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'd make use of a toolbar flaw to give those shortsighted and impatient webmasters what they want:

Make your links page dynamic, /links.html /links.html?2 /links.html?3... will all show the toolbar PR build from links to /links.html. If you add a new page, it will instantly 'have' a toolbar PR. In real life each of these URLs gets its own PR, so you *must* provide internal links to all links pages. For example put in a nav bar crosslinking all links pages, and throw in some internal links from other pages as well as a handful foreign inbound links. This will prove that you're doing honest link exchanges (unfortunately this toolbar flaw gets abused to a great degree).

topr8

8:20 am on Jul 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>Is this a problem in any respect?

i don't think so, i have created blank pages before with just the titles while work is in progress and they have been spidered and included in the index - not sure about the pagerank as i don't do it for that reason and have never checked it. (obviously they don't 'rank' because they don't really have any content, but placeholders seem to be fine)

i think if you were to produce 100s of pages this way (just like all those directories with empty categories) you may have trouble, but just a few i think is ok

Clint

8:07 am on Jul 10, 2005 (gmt 0)



Clint, I am sure you missed the internal links

Aris, are you saying that INTERNAL links, that is, links from your OTHER webpages to one of your webpages increase that page's PR? If so, how can that be? I was always told here that PR is based on OTHERS that link TO you.
Thanks.

Clint

8:09 am on Jul 10, 2005 (gmt 0)



Make your links page dynamic, /links.html /links.html?2 /links.html?3... will all show the toolbar PR build from links to /links.html. If you add a new page, it will instantly 'have' a toolbar PR. In real life each of these URLs gets its own PR, so you *must* provide internal links to all links pages. For example put in a nav bar crosslinking all links pages, and throw in some internal links from other pages as well as a handful foreign inbound links. This will prove that you're doing honest link exchanges (unfortunately this toolbar flaw gets abused to a great degree).

Hmm, interesting. I didn't think G could index "?" URL's or dynamic URL's, are you saying it CAN?

billegal

11:38 am on Jul 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Google can and does index? URLs. I have some with 3 variables passed and the still get in the index.

Clint

12:06 pm on Jul 10, 2005 (gmt 0)



Thanks. ;) Then I wonder what it was I was thinking about......maybe it can't follow the links?

SebastianX

12:25 pm on Jul 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Goggle indexes dynamic pages and follows links on dynamic pages. URLs with a query string have a PageRank like any static page. The only 'flaw' of dynamic pages is, that in some cases the crawler digs not that deep.

Eltiti

1:58 pm on Jul 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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are you saying that INTERNAL links [...] increase that page's PR

They certainly do! Let's assume that the PR of your home page is 9 ;-) and it has only one or two links to other pages. You create a new page, link to it from the home page, and hey, presto! A new PR 8 page!

aris1970

3:35 pm on Jul 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi Clint,

Eltiti is absolutely right. It's surprising you haven't noticed it on WebmasterWorld yet; internal links DO transfer PR and sometimes do count much more than the off-site links.

sit2510

6:22 am on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>> I was always told here that PR is based on OTHERS that link TO you

That is also true, but you better interpret it this way: Your site needs to have external inbound links to start its PR with. Once it has, every page in your site can distribute PR to one another through internal links. It can also give PR to other website or page through external links.