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WHEN did the 'sandbox' start?

And exactly how? I never saw it.

     
3:58 pm on Jun 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My one smallish site has been on its own domain for 4 or 5 years now.
At first, it was listed in the hinterlands. Then DMOZ listed it, and I started rating on the 4rth+ page of
Google listings for the main keyword(s).

With good advice from WW plus some hard work, I edged my way up to some decent ratings over time.

Somehow in all of this, I never saw anything resembling the sandbox (SB) effect; nothing artificial.
If I hadn't read about SB here, I wouldn't know what anyone was talking about. Questions arise:

1) Are non-commercial and/or hobby sites like mine immune to the SB effect?

2) Did the SB effect arise suddenly, arbitrarily, as if by decree or algorithmic change? -or-

3) Does the SB simply result from 'overload', i.e. the inability of any SE to index a web that grows like
gangbusters?

The key to # 2 and 3 above is how the SB (if there is one) presented itself.
IF the SB crept in gradually, almost imperceptibly at first, then steadily worsening, that argues for #3.
IF SB fell down like an overnight curse, that argues for #2.

Either way, its a little peek into the Googlerithm. -Larry

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Larry the sandbox or rather the part of the Google algo that caused the effect that came to be known as the sandbox was only introduced about March last year.

In answer to your questions and AFAIK ...

1) No
2) Yes
3) No.

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I just launched a new site, in the midst of this update.

I simply pointed a couple of links to it to get it listed. And it was No 1 in the serps within 2 days.

Admittedly the search term is a single word - and essentially a company name rather than a well known english word.

But I can't see any evidence of a sandbox. In fact the speculator who bought the .com for that word
(and asked X000 dollars for it) was immediately pushed to No 2 as soon as my site was listed.

Is there really such a thing as a sandbox? - I doubt it.

GG doesn't exactly help - "3.5 changes.." That is just nonsense speak :-)

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There is speculation that you can briefly float to the top, then sink into the bottom of the sandbox for a couple/few/many months.

There has also been some speculation that it affects you more if your keywords are in a 'money' sector.

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There is speculation that you can briefly float to the top, then sink into the bottom of the sandbox for a couple/few/many months.

In my experience this is not speculation but fact.

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There is indeed a G sandbox. Since we can't put URL's in posts, I can't post it. But search for "google sandbox test" and you should find it. It's on the domain of socengine but you cannot find it by searching their site, only by searching an SE for it.
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LarryHatch wrote earlier:

3) Does the SB simply result from 'overload', i.e. the inability of any SE to index a web that grows

I suspect that's the simple truth.

The idea that G puts sites on hold waiting for...

well, what?

I suspect the effect is real, but the cause misinterpreted.

(Google is capable of massive incompetence just as well as anyone else - and don't we all know it.)

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All of my sandboxed came up for company name quickly... and even a few obscure keywords.. but after a few weeks, the pages contianing your links with your company name WILL outrank you.. The sandbox is real.. It's even funny that pages that may not be related may come up for your keywords just because of your links depending on the power of the pages.. I've had a generic article site with an article by me come up for some pretty good keywords that I am after.. After 9 months, that page dissapeared and my site is finally showing for most of its keywords.

So the fact you rank for your company name is something that happens to almost all sites initially..

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There is no sandbox.
The occurence of new domain firstly being listed and then dropped should be attributed to some filters (but no new site = on hold) who come into play gradually after initial scoring.
I even assume that different bots check for different filters.
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Here we go again! Did someone mention semantics?
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Deja vu?
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There is no sandbox.
The occurence of new domain firstly being listed and then dropped should be attributed to some filters (but no new site = on hold) who come into play gradually after initial scoring.

The occurence of new domain firstly being listed and then dropped should be attributed to some filters (but no new site = on hold) who come into play gradually after initial scoring = Sandbox

(or if you don't like the term sandbox call it what you like.) ;)

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I take it all back.

The new site has now disappeared - it doesn't even appear on a search using the full domain name.

I pointed a couple of links to it. It appeared for 3 days, and now it has gone entirely.

(by gone - I don't mean off the radar - I mean not listed.)

A penalty is out of the question.

It's going to be a bit difficult though for our potential customers. When the product is launched (it has social benefits) no-one will be able to find it.

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...= Sandbox

(or if you don't like the term sandbox call it what you like.) ;)

No.
When introduced, the Sandbox had clear meaning: delaying or defering prominent rankings for a NEW site/domain.
The original estimate was 6-12 months delay before the site comes back into the normal serps.

See still unanswered question to GG from DaveAtIFG here:
[webmasterworld.com...] , #130.

Since recently, many have been using the word "Sandbox" for any case where a page is nowhere to find, being far away in ranking from "proper position".
Instead, I would recommend another appropriate term also often used: oblivion.