Finally out of the sandbox

[muzzy]

Hi all, ive been reading this forum for several months and have found it a great source of information.
My latest site went up at the end of October last year, ive been getting very good results from MSN for the last 3 or 4 months, but as like many others I have ranked nowhere except for obscure search terms in google - that is until yesterday!
My main search term is now on page 2 of Google and it brings up 2.7 million pages for that term, so as you can imagine im very pleased.
I knew my site was optimised well but couldnt see the results of it until now.

My question is - now im in the general listings is it possible to continue to move up the rankings once you are out of the sandbox through more optimising or am i likely to stay below the first page as my site is only 5 months old and Google appears to prefer old established sites?

thanks

[specter]

My question is - now im in the general listings is it possible to continue to move up the rankings once you are out of the sandbox through more optimising or am i likely to stay below the first page as my site is only 5 months old and Google appears to prefer old established sites?

Of course you can improve your ranking!

Google doesn't prefer old esthabilished sites.It doesn't evaluate sites upon a seniority criteria (or at least not only).It allocates ranking on the base of an algorithm composed of many different variables (over 2000 if I'm not wrong).

Your site is very young that's true.But you can bring it higher by better optimizing.
You could start selecting only some pages to optimize avoiding to disperse unusefully your efforts.
And targeting less competitive keywords for the moment.Find your niche.The golden keywords will be next.
Another useful thing to do, is continously monitor the trend of the site with a specific software so to know exactly in wich way to move.
More quality inbound links...

These are only few advices to point you on the right way;the rest is at you...

Regards

[muzzy]

errr... very weird, im now back out of the top 10 pages at least for my main keyword! whats going on?!

i was all excited yesterday for making page 2 now it looks like it was google just teasing me?!

[jdMorgan]

muzzy,

Welcome to WebmasterWorld!

Google is not one big computer. It is a distributed system of thousands of computers. Every time you connect you may get a different one. Therefore, it's probable that your site is ranked well in some of them but not others.

It's possible that the new index (database) where your site ranked well will propagate to the other servers over the next few days. On the other hand, it may be that your site ranked well in an "experimental" database that was loaded on some of their servers and has now been backed out. We'll hope for the former situation... :)

If you haven't read it yet, this classic [webmasterworld.com] is worth thorough study.

Jim

[reseller]

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muzzy

I guess you have been hit by what I call "Rotating Algos" syndrome :-)

To learn more about the "Rotating Algos", please view the following two messages:

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[reseller]

jdMorgan

<Google is not one big computer. It is a distributed system of thousands of computers. Every time you connect you may get a different one. Therefore, it's probable that your site is ranked well in some of them but not others.>

Jim

In an honest attempt to understand the relation between datacenters (groups/subgroups) and page ranking on the serps, I wish to ask for your openion of the reason(s)

- why a site might rank well in some data centers but not others?

- and what possible variables govern at anytime Google´s choice of showing serps from specific group/subgroups of the datacenters.

Thanks.. and God bless.

[muzzy]

seems you are right about rotating algos, im back to page 2 on google and have actually moved up a couple of slots to position 12, see how long it stays there for this time

[reseller]

muzzy

Thanks for feedback.

Enjoy the ride while it lasts :)

[artdog]

One of my sites recently popped out of the box and went to page one for about 100 key phrases. It was in and out as you describe in the beginning but a month later it's always in, although lower on the page for the best money words.

Most of the key phrases put me in the top 3 positions woopie! If my site is any indication, yours will settle out too.

[benevolent001]

If the website is not doing well on SERPs how do know if

Website is in Sandbox or

Website is not well optimised to rank high on SERP

both of these are totally different things

[muzzy]

i guess the answer to that is make sure it is well optimised!

[benevolent001]

you mean there is not direct way of getting if the website is in sandbox or not?

[jdMorgan]

reseller,

> why a site might rank well in some data centers but not others?

Different algorithms or different weighting factors with the same algorithm. Maybe that datacenter has a completely-different index (database). Any number of reasons, really -- you'd have to ask Google... ;)

> and what possible variables govern at anytime Google´s choice of showing serps from specific group/subgroups of the datacenters.

I suspect this is mainly just a side effect of dynamic load balancing, where requests are routed to many datacenters and servers within those datacenters using round-robin DNS so as to balance the load regionally and perhaps even globally. Google, like other providers, uses a short time-to-live on their DNS, so every time your browser makes a request, it may get a different IP address for "google.com."

You can force your browser to use a specific IP address if you like, by specifying a fixed IP address for google.com in your hosts file ( C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS\etc\hosts on Win XP ). But then you're left with a fundamental problem: Which google IP address do you pick? There isn't any guarantee that you'll pick an IP address for a data center that represents what the "next" index will look like.

Jim

[reseller]

Jim

Thanks for taking time to write such informative reply.
Much appreciated.

[muzzy]

well, im still high up, position 13, its been there for 3 solid days now, hopefully it is going to be permanent now.
The thing that most impresses me is that i only have a page rank of 2, all the sites above and below me are page rank of 4 or 5 or higher, i only have about 40 backlinks as well, compared to some of the ones around me having several hundred even several thousand!
I can only put this down to optimisation - i dont want to blow my own trumpet - but im grinning from ear to ear at the moment, my turnover has increased by 50% in the last few days - ive been waiting for this day for 5 months, well worth the agonising wait!