Forum Moderators: Robert Charlton & goodroi

Message Too Old, No Replies

Google's response to 302 Hijacking

Two conflicting responses from Google for reported Hijacking

         

Panacea

7:19 pm on Mar 19, 2005 (gmt 0)



I reported two separate hijacking issues to Google that have caused my two top sites to sink into the supplemental results in the Google index.

I used the email address as provided by GoogleGuy and included ‘canonicalpage’ in the subject line. Also included in each email were the specifics and details of the URL’s redirecting to my sites as GoogleGuy suggested.

Here are the Reply’s from Google:

Reply 1:
“Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We understand your concern about the inclusion and ranking of your site. Please note that there is almost nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index.”

Reply 2:
“If you are concerned about another site linking to your site, we suggest contacting the webmaster for the site in question.”

The two separate replies contradict themselves. The first reply is an outright denial that your site can be damaged by a competitor. However you could argue that “almost nothing” is a disclaimer.

The second reply from Google suggests that you can be harmed by a competitor and that the onus is on you to get the redirects taken down by the hijackers.

Unfortunately in my case, the Romanian and Russian sites intentionally using 302 redirects, using my title and description in their URL’s, and a cached version of my page, don’t answer their email, neither do their hosting companies.

eyezshine

2:44 am on Mar 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



They basically said they will work on it a little here and there but until google.com get's hijacked or "The Canonical bug" it's not that big of a deal.

Anyone got a PR 10 with a 302 redirect to google.com? If I had one I would sure do it!

aleksl

5:26 am on Mar 25, 2005 (gmt 0)



"but until google.com get's hijacked..."

I've seen a one-page website with PR10 - a Google main page highjack. IN FACT, I JUST LOOKED AT IT AGAIN TO MAKE SURE I WASN'T SMOKING ..., AND IT IS THERE SHOWING PR10.

You, GoogleGuy dude, the one so "no this is not an issue", if you PM me, I will even give you the URL.

[edit]
On second thought...maybe I should sell this URL to CNN
[/edit]

[edit2]
I just checked again, it is only PR10 in FireFox, it is 0 in IE, so that's not a 302-highjack
[/edit2]

Jane_Doe

6:38 am on Mar 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month



My experience pretty much matches what Googleguy wrote on Slashdot. I have sites with literally thousands of redirects, copied content and scraper links and for the most part they are ranking just fine. One even has 200 other domains showing using the allinurl command.

The few sites that stopped coming up for their own unique domain names after Allegra had stuff in them that didn't mesh with the current algo. I suspect, in at least some cases, sites not ranking for their own unique names is more a side effect of the recent algo changes rather than a root cause. For two sites I've worked on that were outranked for their own unique names, they've both came back in the rankings (even before update of yesterday which seems to have relaxed things a bit), even though the scraper links and redirects were still there.

eyezshine

9:03 am on Mar 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



You may not be able to hijack a PR 10 from google but I bet a PR5 site could hijack a PR4 page from google which would create a dupe penalty on google's domain?

Not that I want google to get any kind of penalty... from their own search engine but it would make a good example for their engineers to study?

mrMister

12:53 pm on Mar 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



If the site user wants that page removed, they can with Google's URL removal tool.

Google does not allow you to remove someone else's URL. Also, note that it's not the PAGE that you'd want to remove, just the redirecting URL.

You don't have to remove their URL. If you remove the URL that the 302 is pointing to (that is on your site), then their page will have no content and won't be ranked.

zeus

2:41 pm on Mar 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



You dont have to redirect to google, just pick on of there sub companies that are listed, make a redirecting to them and remove the site with the google removaltool and then send a email to google and say here the you proof or just let it slide out of the rankings.



Thread continued [webmasterworld.com]

[edited by: ciml at 4:21 pm (utc) on Mar. 25, 2005]

This 66 message thread spans 3 pages: 66