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Shipping Insurance - wholesale or retail value?

         

martyt

7:01 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When you ship a package by UPS or some other carrier, do you insure it for the full retail price, or just enough to cover your costs? (Assume that your cost and the retail price are well above the limits of whatever "automatic" insurance the carrier may provide).

If a package gets lost, will the carrier pay you the retail cost if you've insured it for that much? Seems like you could end up money ahead on a lost package...

bakedjake

7:19 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My recommendation: I wouldn't provide insurance by default over and above what the carrier provides automatically (which I thought was $100 or something like that, but I could be wrong).

I would give the option to the users to insure the package (for an extra charge, of course), and I would insure it for full retail value. In the rare instance a package arrives damage, the carrier will reimburse the insured value. They'll pay whatever you claimed was the insured value, AFAIK they don't do any sort of auditing of the package value.

Samiam

8:43 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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UPS does ask you the cost of replacement / repair for any damaged items. If the item can be replaced to your customer they will only pay what you indicate to be your cost of replacement / repair.

bakedjake

8:55 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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what you indicate

Exactly my point. Indicate its full retail value.

Samiam

9:02 pm on Oct 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No, I am sorry I did not make my self clear. On their forms, at least the ones we get, it ask for total cost and Cost to Repair/Replace. I have on a few occasions (when we have had a broken item) left the cost field blank only to have UPS call me and ask me point blank what my cost was for the item. They have even adjusted a cost total that they apparently thought was too high. Insurance is only $.30 per $100, so it is not that big of a deal really, but for some of our items why pay the extra.

rise2it

3:16 am on Oct 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My opinions from 5 years online...

Postal service will refund whatever you insured it for. Least hassle of anyone when something goes wrong. If it doesn't show up in 30 days, they consider it lost, and you get paid.

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UPS will only refund YOUR cost (which they want you to prove), regardless of how much insurance you bought.

I wasted several thousand dollars overinsuring packages before finding this out, because we made the mistake of insuring our UPS shipments for full price. They "forgot" to tell us that when we set up our account. UPS answered by saying "sorry".

And what possesses them to think they have to right to know the wholesale prices I pay for merchandise?

Forget about getting UPS to ever admit they made a mistake, lost a package, etc. Any claim you make, even if you should win, will cost you many hours, an increase in blood pressure, and several months to collect.

Our new strategy (and it works).....

We insure every UPS package for $99 bucks (which you get 'free', anyway), even if it cost me $300 or $500 or whatever.

Every week, we take the money we WOULD HAVE SPENT on additional insurance, and put it into a seperate account.

When a package is lost or UPS royally screws up, we simply 'eat it', and remove the money from our 'slush fund'.

No more high blood pressure....no more hours spent on the telephone.....no more waiting months to collect....no more ticked off customers.

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Your mileage may vary, depending on your industry, especially if you are in an industry with a high rate of attempted fraud. (Not a real problem for us)

We simply look at insuring packages just like any other expense, and at our ROI (return on investment).....

For us, it's worked like a charm.

alpine

4:48 am on Nov 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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IMO, in most cases you're better off charging the customer insurance, but self-insuring your shipments. Keep a separate account on your ledger, and at the end of the year, you'll have made money. Fedex & UPS have pegged their rates to make a nice profit on insurance.

moose606

3:24 pm on Nov 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We have actually put in claims against UPS, and from my experience, they only cover cost. You must provide invoices and or other documentation for them to pay the claim. If you don't insure, and have problems, good luck trying to get anything out of them.

rise2it

3:10 pm on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Which goes back to one of my original points that I have a REALLY BIG PROBLEM WITH (and I'm surprised more people don't)...

Why does UPS think they have the right to know the wholesale price of my merchandise?

I don't even give that information to my bankers or lawyers...what the h&ll makes UPS think I'll give it to them?

Does this not bother anyone else?

rise2it

1:36 am on Nov 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We've done a lot of UPS discussing here...anyone deal with Fedex? How are they to deal with on warranty claims?

chicagohh

3:22 pm on Nov 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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nyone deal with Fedex? How are they to deal with on warranty claims?

We dropped Fedex several months ago and are still waiting for resolution on their last lost shipment.

rise2it

5:44 pm on Nov 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sounds as if Fedex has the same customer service policies as UPS!

Anyone else have a differing view?

HowlingWizard

6:01 pm on Nov 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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For damage /loss claims (UPS and FedEx Ground) we attach a copy on our invoice to the client to the claim form. This documents the cost as the retail price our customer paid us. We have never had FedEx Express lose or damage a package (yet). They only adjust it down when it exceed the $100 default limit.

They both adjust the shipping cost to match the what they billed us for that package. (We have fixed shipping charge for all ground orders.)

chuladi

12:07 am on Nov 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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IMO, in most cases you're better off charging the customer insurance, but self-insuring your shipments

this is actually illegal in the US. If you want to pad your "shipping and handling" fine, but if you have a separate charge for "insurance" and you don't use third party insurance OR you are not a licensed insurance provider, you are actually breaking the law (being an insurance provider without license)

I would give the option to the users to insure the package

Here's the tricky paty-- charge enough to insure. When you are doing B2C transactions, you make yourself liable for a chargeback. give the customer the option, they do not select it. It gets lost/damaged, you say whoops, you didn't buy insurance. they call credit card issuer and file a chargeback, you have absolutely NO DEFENSE to that chargeback and they win.