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Will using affiliates be effective for my business?

Anticipated low volume but high commission.

         

JonnyWales

3:30 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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We sell a niche software product to large corporate businesses. All sales are currently via our website. I know very little about the affiliate model but am learning fast by reading this excellent forum.

Before reading here the way I had expected to increase sales was by third-party agents who were knowledgeable in our business sector. If the agent introduced our software to one of their clients who decided to buy it then the agent would charge their client the standard price and shortly afterwards would pay us the discounted price keeping the difference as their commission. We, on receipt of payment from agent would release the software password to allow the customer to fully use the application and we would thereafter fully support them.

A prime difficulty with my proposed method is recruiting agents with deep knowledge of our particular business sector. My question is really to do with how best to set up affiliates for my business. The software we sell costs between $200 (US) and $700, with the best selling version costing $500. Anticipated commission payable of c.25%. Are there are recommended affiliate programs for our sort of business or is my suggested method just as good? Any comments of similar experience will be very useful.

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Jonny

[edited by: JonnyWales at 6:18 pm (utc) on Nov. 26, 2002]

Nick_W

5:29 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hmmm... Not sure about affiliate software, although I know some here probably know about that end of things. But...

deep knowledge of our particular business sector

Good affiliates won't need that to promote your products, that's your end. You attract the marketers, handle the technicals and pay on time;) and you'll be laughing... of course attracting these top affiliates is the tricky bit.

Good comm.
2 tier structure
Good Cookie length

are just a few of the things these guys look for in a program.

Hope that helps!

Nick

JonnyWales

5:32 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Nick,

So what do the affiliates do? Do they simply have a link from their site to mine and the affiliate software does the rest?

Nick_W

5:36 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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That's one way of doing it.

Many prefer a more sophisticated setup involving having the order take place on the affiliate site and the data being sent to, and handled by, the merchant.

For General "what is an affiliate" type info try the blurb on the big networks like cj.com and Linkshare.com

Nick

JonnyWales

5:54 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Nick, looks like I've quite a bit of reading still to do. Initial impresion is that the setup is v. expensive.

NFFC

5:59 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>is that the setup is v. expensive.

It can be but in many cases you are paying for access to a large number of AFM's, in your case you may not need it. Sometimes it may be better to go for a lesser known [and cheaper] company and then do the spadework of attracting the right people to your program.

vik_c

6:45 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Jonny, I think a good way to handle this would be to set up your own affiliate program without a network. Then approach prospective affiliates directly.

This will cost very little. You can spend $20-30 and get someone to list you with all the affiliate directories. This is really free, it's only the effort.

Prepare a page on your web site that provides info about your affiliate program, pay scale, technical info, earning potential, stats etc.

Don't opt for these expensive networks unless you have a mass selling product. You could also consider advertising. It's getting increasingly cheap to advertise with so much unsold inventory around.

buckworks

7:30 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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<<So what do the affiliates do? Do they simply have a link from their site to mine and the affiliate software does the rest?>>

In a nutshell, yes. But beware of that word "simply" ... people "simply" click through from the affiliate's page to yours, but it's *anything but* simple to get new prospects to the point of wanting to click!

That clickthrough is the last link in a long chain of events on the affiliate's side. It takes significant skill, work -- and yes, product knowledge -- for an affiliate to develop appropriate pages and promote them effectively to people who would be good prospects for your products. The affiliate's task is to send new people to your site, in the mood to buy if they like what they find. After that the ball is in your court ... If you handle it well, everyone wins! :)

JonnyWales

7:33 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Vik / Buckworks,

It's starting to click into place but I still have a few queries about how I'm going to best utilise the affiliate model. The idea of doing it myself is what I had currently thought I would do but then these questions arise :-

1) The affiliate will have a link to my site. Do I pay him a certain rate per click, or a certain % per sale, or a mixture of the two?
2) Who is to say what sales have been achieved via individual affiliates other than a tedious slog through the log files?
3) If I was to "sign-up" with an affiliate network wouldn't they be able to automatically track the clicks from affiliates and work out and process the various commissions? Doesn't this make it pretty much a pre-requisite for an effective solution?
4) My "ideal" solution (at least with my current knowledge) is to use some sort of affiliate network and then manually approach potentially interested businesses, predominently within my sector, to also sign-up as affiliates. Where can I go to get a realistic appraisal of the available networks?

Jonny

buckworks

7:51 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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<<1) The affiliate will have a link to my site. Do I pay him a certain rate per click, or a certain % per sale, or a mixture of the two? >>

I would recommend a % of sale unless you really know and trust the affiliate. Per-click affiliate programs are tempting targets for the fraudsters.

<<2) Who is to say what sales have been achieved via individual affiliates other than a tedious slog through the log files? >>

I'm not enough of a techie to give specific advice here, but there are an assortment of programs available that will track affiliate activity for you so you wouldn't have to slog through the logs unless you want to cross-check something.

<<3) If I was to "sign-up" with an affiliate network wouldn't they be able to automatically track the clicks from affiliates and work out and process the various commissions? Doesn't this make it pretty much a pre-requisite for an effective solution? >>

Affiliate networks do a lot of things right, but their services come at a price. If your product is not suitable for the mass consumer market, it would probably be more cost-effective to keep it in-house.

<<4) My "ideal" solution (at least with my current knowledge) is to use some sort of affiliate network and then manually approach potentially interested businesses, predominently within my sector, to also sign-up as affiliates. Where can I go to get a realistic appraisal of the available networks? >>

I could only comment from an affiliate's point of view here, not a merchant's. One thing that affiliates like is the fact that Commission Junction and Performics offer combined checks so one doesn't have to meet a minimum for umpteen different merchants before getting paid.

Whether you go in-house or with a network, you will definitely need to do some work to promote your affiliate program manually. If you want to inspire affiliates to work with you, you need to be more than just another name on the merchant list.

More food for thought!

JonnyWales

9:03 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The do-it-myself option is preferable as the number of potential affilates for my prodct is quite low. But how do I reassure affiliates that any clicks which come from them will result in a commission if a sale is forthcoming? Similarly, how do I ensure that I only pay commission when appropriate? A solution to the second problem is more obvious to me as I could simply have a tracking url and be able to see where visitors have come from by reviewing the logfile. But unless I can find a good solution to the first point then this is a potential show-stopper.

Nick_W

9:10 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think you need to involve an expert. Learning to engineer, market and maintain a successful affiliate program is not something that will come quickly.

Here are a few options:

  • Recruit an experieced affiliate manager to consult with and provide direction for you.
  • Get involved with a small network that will help you.

I don't think this is something you are likely to tackle on your own, hire an expert ;)

Nick

buckworks

9:32 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Jonny,

I tried to send you a sticky note, but I got an error message. Send me a sticky and maybe it would work from your end.

2_much

9:44 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Jonny some people work with affiliate "partners". So instead of putting your affiliate program on CJ etc, you would contact someone who has expertise in this area (Internet Marketing and Affiliate Programs) and have them become a "super affiliate" for you.

This kind of arrangement is very useful because you only deal with one company/person and they can send you a tremendous amount of leads. Then you can pay per sale and it won't cost you much. Some of these "super affiliates" already have affiliate program systems.

Go60Guy

11:13 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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If you handle it well, everyone wins!

The merchant, especially, comes out a winner. While the affiliate gets a commission for a one time sale, or perhaps more than once if there's a cookie, the merchant acquires a customer. The affiliate has to hope that the customer will return to the affiliate's site after the cookie expires. Much more the case is that the affiliate relies on a parade of new customers.

The merchant can market directly and repeatedly to referred customers who are already familiar with the merchant's site and offerings. Therein dwells the cash cow.

Customer acquisition is one of the toughest steps in the process of internet marketing. Having a bunch of effective affiliates working on your behalf helps in overcoming this hurdle.

Of course, renewal of all customer cookies whenever a sale is made through an affiliate's site would certainly provide incentive for an affiliate to remain with a particular merchant, but I've never seen this done. Building loyalty with this sort of approach is crucial along with maintaining good relations with affiliates. That's where a good dedicated affiliate manager comes in.

It can all work, and work very well, for the astute internet merchant.

Dante_Maure

5:24 am on Nov 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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These are some of the most popular affiliate solution providers. (software and third party solutions as opposed to network systems like cj.com)

MyAssociateProgram.com
BFast.com
Ultimate Affiliate from Groundbreak.com
AssocTrac.com
QuickPayPro.com
AffiliateShop.com

JonnyWales

10:12 am on Nov 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Dante,

Thanks for the list. I looked at a couple in depth and they seem to offer what I need and loads more. One problem I found was when doing a search for current merchants it showed only a handful of business-type products and listing their 1000's of merchants by product value indicated that the current max price was $150. My software costs on average $500 and so my initial impression is that they focus on high-volume, low-cost merchandise whereas we do low-volume, high-cost.

I'll search on to see if I can find a more appropriate offering.

Also, what are the risks of signing up? Do they tend to fold regularly, meaning disruption in finding another?

Dante_Maure

10:35 am on Nov 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My apologies... the first one on the list should have read MyAffiliateProgram.com rather than MyAssociateProgram.com

Cathay Pacific Airways is one of the clients listed on their home page so I'm certain that they can accomodate high ticket items.

As for folding...

"The one unchangeable certainty is that nothing is unchangeable or certain". ~ John F. Kennedy ;)

That being said, they've been around for quite some time, have a good deal of respect in the industry, and with clients like Mobil, Cathay, KowaBunga!, and AccuWeather I'd say they're not likely to be disappearing anytime soon.

JonnyWales

1:47 pm on Nov 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Dante, thanks for the correction. I have in fact just signed up withMyAffiliateProgram and I'll let you know how I progress.

I've opted for a 2-tier system and wonder what ranges of commissions are paid. I know this is rather open-ended but I'm sure potential affiliates look at low figures and think not to bother. Similarly, what is the realistic maximum that is offered without appearing unsustainable. We produce business software and currently have high margin but low volume and so could in theory pay high commissions.

Also, assuming we paid eg. 20% to 1st-tier affiliates what fraction is usually payable to 2nd-tier - is it 10% (ie. half that payable to 1st-tier) or more, or less?

Dante_Maure

10:21 pm on Nov 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've opted for a 2-tier system and wonder what ranges of commissions are paid.

Depending on the products and niche I've seen everything from 5% to 60% paid on the first tier, and 0% to 20% on the second.

Similarly, what is the realistic maximum that is offered without appearing unsustainable. We produce business software and currently have high margin but low volume and so could in theory pay high commissions.

I would worry less about "appearing" sustainable, and work primarily with what is realistically sustainable. You'll want to know the Lifetime Value of your customers to establish what new customer acquisition is worth to your business and work from there. High commissions can indeed be very attractive to potential affiliates, but there are many other factors as well, such as how well your site converts visitors to buying customers, and the amount of marketing support you offer.

Also, assuming we paid eg. 20% to 1st-tier affiliates what fraction is usually payable to 2nd-tier - is it 10% (ie. half that payable to 1st-tier) or more, or less?

Based on the limited information I have from your posts, I would highly suggest emphasizing the first tier commisions. With a very targeted product that needs a deep intimacy with your business sector, I doubt you'll see a great deal of second tier commissions, and your affiliates will more than likely be looking for the highest returns on their own personal efforts.

If you're prepared to pay out 30% total as suggested above, I would recommend doing a 25% - %5 split, or even going with just a flat 1 tier commision of 30%.

Also keep in mind that as you actively build your affiliate base, many top performing affiliates (sometimes referred to as "super-affiliates") ofen expect special considerations in the way of enhanced or incentivized commision structures.

This can be a powerful selling point when you are dealing with an affiliate who can deliver a flood of targeted traffic to your doorstep.

It's hard to offer sound advice while only knowing generalities. If you'd like to offer more specifics, but would prefer not to do so in the public forum, feel free to sticky me.

JonnyWales

7:20 pm on Nov 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have gone for a relatively "cheap" option and as such am limited to 100 affiliates. Having never attempted to recruit affiliates before I'm unsure whether this number is going to be very easy or difficult to achieve. My initial intention is to approach quality websites already in my sector and try to encourage them to become affiliates as opposed to allowing those sites used to being affiliates but with little knowledge of my sector.

I'm also thinking about not having an obvious link visible on my site regarding the affiliate scheme and therefore the only visitors will be one's I have invited. One of the reasons for this is that if potential purchasers of our software see that we are willing to offer high commissions to affliates then they will expect high discounts, which is something we rarely do other than for customers buying multiple licenses.

Any comments?

Dante_Maure

4:36 am on Nov 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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That's a very sound approach. My experience is that if a potential partner visits your site and is seriously interested in marketing your software, they'll contact you whether you have a publicly posted affiliates page or not.

It's still worth listing your site in the affiliate program directories. You can still have a page posted on your site for potential affiliates, without linking it from anywhere on your sales pages.

Keep in mind that you don't need to accept everyone that applies, it's up to you to decide who you accept as an affiliate.

One important note... very often, your very best affiliates can come out of the ranks of your existing customer base. No one knows the benefits of your software better than those who are actually using it.