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Affiliate Programs Poll

Affiliate Programs Hurting The Web?

         

mosley700

7:45 am on Sep 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've got a site that brings in several thousand uniques everyday. We have worked hard for our PageRank, and paid quite a bit. ( About $30,000 in marketing over the last 6 months, mostly on Overture, with small amounts going to the double-crossering Looksmart, and the rest in Outdoor Advertising, direct mail, and opt-in email campaigns. )
We have very high quality, targeted visitors.
When we approach retail sites in this sector ( home improvement ) we usually get this response: "We only do pay per performance, pay on commission, and CJ.com"
Here's my problem: Commission is giving away advertising. When you display a site's banner on your site, it is creating brand awareness, WHETHER THE CONSUMER CLICKS ON IT OR NOT.
I buy online, everything from DVDs and books to airline tickets and computers.
I have never bought an item on the first visit to a sight. I usually go back several times ( from search engines or from typing in the URL in the address bar ) before I actually make the purchase. Referring site will not get credit for the purchase I made.
I feel that CJ and all affiliate programs are hurting the web by giving away free advertising.
Why should ConstructionSupplies.com ( I just made that up ) pay me $25 per thousand impressions when 1,000 cheap sites are giving away impressions on the odd chance that they may make $20 per annum?
CJ.com is not our friend.
CJ.com and all affiliate programs are exploiting webmasters.

If Pepsi said to the Washington Post, "Here, run this full page ad in the Sunday edition and we'll give you 5% of sales to consumers who were pointing to the ad with their right index finger at the time they bought the 2 liter of Pepsi", do you think the Washington Post would run the ad?
No. Advertising creates brand awareness. It should cost.
Who's going to marry Sally when Mary, Jenny, Molly, Barbara, and Gina are giving it away for free?

mosley700

5:17 am on Sep 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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"$2 per thousand impressions?"
More like $20.00 per thousand. A friend makes better - he gets $70,000 per year from an exclusive sponsor with a regional agricultural site with less than 100 4,000 unique users.
He gets a set price because only a fool would expect apple orchardists to buy wind machines online.
The same for my site, except I get more traffic and appeal to all construction trades. I don't think the day has come when contractors and DIYers are going to buy 60lb bags of concrete online. I doubt contractors will buy a table saw online when they can go to Lowe's and have it now.
I buy a lot online - DVDs, books, software. But contractor supplies are best bought after a good in-store fondling.

mosley700

5:26 am on Sep 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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PS.
Even at $2 per thousand, I think CPM beats affiliate. Say I get 39,000 pageviews per day, and say I were to put just one banner on each page. That would earn me $78.
I know a lot of webmasters working affiliate sites. They never make enough to work online full time and have to work other jobs. I'm sure that many affiliates do make a decent wage, but it is the exception to the rule.
I prefer $20 CPM or even $10 CPM to affiliate work. My true love is six month or one year sponsorship deals, for X amount of cash, and nobody caring about CPM.

sugarkane

9:01 am on Sep 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> Say I get 39,000 pageviews per day, and say I were to put just one banner on each page. That would earn me $78

Those 39,000 pageviews would have earned me a high 4-figure sum on one site that sends highly targetted traffic to a specific merchant. Unfortunately the site generates nowhere near that amount of pageviews - yet ;)

It's horses for courses - as has been said, with the right site, the right traffic and the right merchant, the figures can and do work.

Go60Guy

1:14 pm on Sep 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I doubt contractors will buy a table saw online when they can go to Lowe's and have it now.

mosley700, my friend, I sell table saws, circular saws, reciprocating saws and a whole slew of power tools through targeted product specific pages. Whether these buyers are contractors or not, I don't know. I suspect contractors, however, are like the rest of us. It takes time out of your day to go to Lowes. And here in California, you have to pay sales tax. I would think that just as many contractors proportionally will buy on the internet as the buying public in general.

Now that Amazon is lifting the cap on commissions in this category, I intend to expand on what I've done so far. If you're squeamish about making money from the internet, I respect that. I simply don't agree, and refuse to indulge in limited thinking. I'll try anything that seems to make sense. And when I find a product line that works well, I go at expanding on it full tilt. Its fun. Try it.

argusdesigns

7:20 pm on Sep 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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buckworks:
I know this is a few days tardy since your post, but thanks for post, great contribution and very informative. I have been trying find a no nonsense explanation for Morpheus and others for quite some time now. :)

mosley700

7:56 pm on Sep 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Mosley was a contractor for 11 years. I never would buy tools online. As a contractor, you have to spend your money in your neighborhood and develop relationships with those people in your neighborhood. Its just better business sense as a contractor. But even if I hadn't been contracting I think I'd like to check out my tools before I buy them...

profitpuppy

11:33 pm on Sep 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just got 3 other points to make:

1. I can definately see that some products are not appropriate for selling online ... or at least are very difficult to sell online.

However you can still have an affiliate program for these products. You display the telephone number and a tracking code on the website. If someone calls the number the business records the tracking code and attributes the sale to the affiliate. Not a fool proof system, but better than no tracking system.

2. Personally I think branding is highly overrated (with the exception of some big companies like nike). For small/mid size companies sales are important ... not branding. As a small company, if your advertising doesn't make you money ... it's a waste of time.

3. Perhaps you can make money by selling banners at CPM for $20 per thousand, but I've got companies like altavista selling me (an affiliate) advertising for $6 per thousand, for targeted traffic. I can buy these impressions and make more money by sending the traffic to affiliate programs ... so in this case affiliate programs are a better option ... although I realize that this is not the case for all products.

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