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Uberlong sales pages of the l33t; Does that really work?

or the all I learned about Cory Rudl affiliates.

         

vabtz

5:44 am on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)



SO I did some looking up on who this Cory Rudl character was after I read about his death.

The only thing I seem to have discovered is that any site affiliated with him has HUGE sales pitches on one page sites.

Does that actually work? They are hideous looking.


I am going to try it on a one pager I have been thinking of starting for awhile.

hdpt00

8:28 am on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)



I was wondering the same thing. Has anyone tried the "one-page-wonder"? Does it actually work?

eyeinthesky

10:24 am on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You bet it works. Just look at Cory's record - $7m in sales last year.

[edited by: eljefe3 at 5:19 am (utc) on June 13, 2005]

conroy

1:34 pm on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This is nothing new. It is just direct mail on the internet. It has been around for over 100 years in recognizable form. Yes it works. One of the first things you learn about it is that longer sells better than shorter nearly 100% of the time.

David Bowley

2:00 pm on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's not the size of the page I wouldn't have thought, more of the style being used. If it's just AM then it's passing onto the merchant, therefore preselling would be best. So I get the feeling that a large sales pitch won't work for every type of product really, especially not if the merchant's site also has a large sales pitch.

WSQuant

2:14 pm on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Someone correct me if im wrong, but I believe the basic theory behind "longer is better" follows the same thoughts as traditional sales pitches in general.

Take the old fashioned door to door salesman. His first goal is to get his foot in the door. Once he's done that he has a 15 minutes sales pitch lined up. The reason they made these pitches so long was that the average person was more likely to buy the product after "wasting" fifteen minutes by listening to the sales pitch.

Make any sense?

eyeinthesky

12:01 am on Jun 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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According to a conversion guru, web copy should be:

"Like a woman's skirt, long enough to cover the basics but short enough to be interesting"

I like it!

graywolf

1:47 am on Jun 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Depends on what you're doing. Are you just pushing a punter looking for name brand widget over to the merchant? Then give them just enough to know they are on the right track, and the widget they are looking for is just a click away. Or are you trying to sell someone something to match the problem they want to solve. The longer the copy the more chances you have of hitting thier exact problem.

vabtz

2:45 pm on Jun 13, 2005 (gmt 0)



Thank you for the responses
interesting. esp Graywolfs explanation

Nefig

3:03 pm on Jun 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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To be honest, I actually bought something from Corey, I spent 120 or 150 bucks.. I knew exactly what I was doing, and it was worth it, but - what can I say. He sold me :)

I was much surprised when I recieved a call couple of months later - very pleasant girl called me from States (I live in Toronto) and asked how I was doing and how was my internet success and so on. She didn't try to sell me anything more, and I was touched... That's how you build reputation and keep your clients happy!

But back to the topic - even understanding that these looooooong pages are nothing more than professionaly prepard, tested and optimized NLP-based and psychologically test-proven sales pitch, it seems to work, even if the product is so-so.

Well, we live in North America, it's all about sales pitch here and good yet cheap marketing, not really about quality.

zivkovicp

6:50 pm on Jun 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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His first goal is to get his foot in the door. Once he's done that he has a 15 minutes sales pitch lined up.

This is a *PERFECT* summary and 100% relevant to online marketing.

If you are an AFFILIATE, trying to get a visitor to buy through YOUR affiliate links (website) then you have to be careful... because as an affiliate, your job is to stick your foot into the door! NOTHING ELSE!

As a merchant, your job is to deliver the "15 minute" sales pitch.

It is not a good idea to sell someone more than once. That is where most affiliates make their mistakes. They do all the work, and often times better than the merchant... the customer thinks he's going to buy from the affiliate and gets upset/disappointed when he recieves the 2nd sales pich... and leaves. :(

For all you fellow affiliate marketers, a word of advice: Only stick your foot into the door. Give them a reason to *CLICK* your link, leave the sales up to the merchant (you'll sell more that way).

my 2c.

Nefig

7:44 pm on Jun 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hm. may be I should really change one of my sites.. Because something is wrooong about perfomance of some of the products. They do not seem to convert, except for 10% which happen to have very nice ROI, but not supposed to :)

'Top perfomers' do not perform at all. I will ease up on my "sales efforts" which were supposed to pre-sale but... Seems like it's too much for my visitors. Will update this thread if my theory is right and especially if it makes more money for me :)

zivkovicp

10:33 pm on Jun 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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well if you already have a successful site, congrats to you.

but I think in general that more affiliates see increased success when they concentrate more on enticing the visitor to simply "learn more" about the product and leave the sales to the actual merchant.

If your experience show otherwise, please share them... in this industry there is no such thing as "industry standard", that's why so many new affiliates can get confused... and some older ones!

hdpt00

12:00 am on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)



I think a lot of these sites with 1-page-wonders have nothing to do with affiliate stuff though. Most of them are selling software or ebooks or something of the likes that they actuall y provide and tehrefore must really sell the item instead of trying to get a click through.

zivkovicp

10:10 am on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes they are, in that case YOU are the merchant... hense the need to sell.

That was the point I was trying to make in my earlier post but I guess it didn't come out the way I thought it did...

Just think how silly it would be if every affiliate made a 20 paragraph sales pitch that lead to an even bigger "sales page" on the merchant site.

Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this is a mistake? I don't know... for sure there are exceptions to the rule but in general I think that affiliates will do better by simply increasing curiosity & introducing (or reviewing) products, and not so much hard core selling.

conroy

11:59 am on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Sales letters are for the person selling the product. Affiliates just drive traffic and increase curiosity as has been stated.

I have never seen an affiliate use a 10 page sales letter of their own just to get a click through and then go to another sales letter. First, it is bad marketing. Second, no one wants to do that much work.

eyeinthesky

1:24 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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zivkovicp, an affiliate should "pre-sell" not sell. That means providing some value-added content that is different from the merchant's.

In other words, tell, don't sell.

But simply encouraging the surfer to "learn more" is not enough, in my experience.

Tell, without all the hype and let the merchant hype it up all he wants :)

zivkovicp

3:07 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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zivkovicp, an affiliate should "pre-sell" not sell.

I give up folks. :)

This is the *exact* message I have been *trying* to convey from the very first post.

Now I just don't know if I'm rushing my posts and come across too vaguely or if nobody bothers to Fully read through posts anymore?

In either case: Affiliates Warm-UP (or pre-sell) while Merchants SELL... I *thought* this was clear in my first post.

I'm done.

eyeinthesky

3:15 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In either case: Affiliates Warm-UP (or pre-sell) while Merchants SELL... I *thought* this was clear in my first post.

You wrote that? Either I'm blind or you've amnesia.

I give up, folks :)

I'm done too :)

Michael Anthony

6:06 pm on Jun 16, 2005 (gmt 0)



zivkovicp, I completely agree with you and think you have done well to put it so succintly.

Imagine a 4,000 word "pitch" that terminated in an "Apply Now" button for a loan!

An aff site should have one purpose - sales. Remember, we are trying to create online shops, not libraries.