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How ethical is this?

         

JamesBond

4:16 am on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have just received a sale from an affiliate that is marketing my site using my site name. So, if my site was called, RubberBalls, he or she, has gone out and placed PPC in google, overture, etc for RubberBall.

In some ways its good since if the consumer punches in the name of my site in the browser, which I guess is a common occurance, they make it easier to find my site.

But at the same time, I would appear in the natural rankings without that, so its almost like they are cheating me?

Any opinions would be appreciates -- this area feels so gray that I don't even know how to look at it! :)

cabbie

4:27 am on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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As far as I am concerned it is very ethical for your affiliate to do this.
I personally find it unethical for sponsors to try to limit the creativity of their affiliates unless it comes to spam or perhaps when they are giving them a bad name.I never promote a sponsor when they are trying to compete with me for the same traffic.

growingdigital

4:30 am on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I say as long as the affiliate is not tarnishing your brand in anyway, and is a good representative of your brand let them continue. Afterall, what is the harm? Plus, as a side benefit, this may discourage some competitors from bidding on your keyword.

He pays the marketing costs, you pay for the sale. You and the affiliate both win.

jcoronella

5:29 am on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Unless a company has the money behind it to block *competitors* from bidding on their trademarks, they should allow their affiliates. This is 90% of merchants. The affiliates will push down and dillute the action of your competitors.

It also doesn't hurt to have 10 independent sites claiming your 'product is the best' and 'buy now here' when a user is researching your brand.

skibum

7:31 am on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Opinion varies widely on this topic. Some merchants go so far as to say affilites must use brand names as negative keywords and can't use brand names in web page titles (and some of these same merchants occupy the top spot and then have protest sites saying something to the effect of company X sucks taking up many of the other top-10 results in the free listings and no other paid listings to help draw attention to the merchant). On the other hand, some of the largest most well known brands in the world encourage affiliates to bid on brand names.

At the end of the day it needs to be a business decision. What results in more profits for your business?

As a merchant you want to make as much money from your affiliate program as possible. You need to consider the following:

1) Does filling the search results page with listings for your company (instead of your competitors) help you do this?
2) Are affiliates causing confusion or misleading consumers by placing their ads?

If affiliates present a variety of different links to your site when searches for your name are done, this might be thought of simply as better merchandising. It presents the visitor with a variety of different ways to enter your site and they may be more likely to enter the site on a page that contains exactly what the are looking for so total sales are higher.

Most affiliates probably prefer no restrictions and if this policy results in more profits for the merchant, then its a win-win situation. If it doesn't then one workable policy is for the merchant to specify in their TOS that affiliates may not outbid the merchant for the merchants branded terms. By doing this affiliates can still make some cash, the merchant gets added exposure and sales and there are likely to be fewer ads for competitors showing up.

The other thing it makes sense to add into the TOS is that affiliates cannot put things like "official site" in the ads as this almost certainly causes confusion among consumers when there are 2 or more ads for the same site all claiming to be the "official site". Any merchant who runs an affiliate program should at least consider PPC campaigns on thier own brand name. On the other hand, an affiliate program can serve as an outsourced PPC program if the merchant either doesn't have the resources to run a PPC program or simply prefers not to put in the work to run PPC.

If the decision is made not to allow affiliates to bid on brand names, the best bet is to give notice (typically 7 days) of the change in policy to give affiliates time to change their campaigns or adjust their bids.

Michael Anthony

8:02 am on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)



Nice post Skibum, and spot on. I work with one merchant with around 5 sub affs and we have had a problem with all the adwords/serps looking the same. As the merchant has a good relationship with us all, he was able to ask us to make all the ads/serps look slightly different.

Now the merchant dominates G for their chosen key terms/brand names, but the surfer gets the impresion of choice. This, in my view, is the correct approach as the merchant wins in a way that would have been much more expensive and risky had they built all the ads/serps themselves.

Merchants that disallow brand name bidding are being short-sighted, in my opinion. Quite often it is a red-faced PPC campaign manager, who has been given responsibility for promoting the brand themselves, that instigates these bans. Their logic is that the affiliates are duiluting the effectiveness of their campaign. In these situations the merchant needs to take a strong stance as the affiliates are adding to their overall online presence at no cost to them. The fact that a mediocre media/ppc company can't compete with their affiliates should be a sign to switch agencies or cease the activity altogether, not allow the "tail to wag the dog" as so often happens.

ronin

10:32 am on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Merchants that disallow brand name bidding are being short-sighted, in my opinion.

I couldn't agree more. Despite being seductive in theory, Central Planning does not work nearly as well in practice as allowing multiple sources of initiative to sprout simultaneously.

eyeinthesky

11:11 am on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I really can't see what's wrong with that. After all, the merchant makes money when its affiliates make money. What's the issue?

Some of my merchants even allow me to take anything I want from their website as long as I bring them the sales without spamming.

johnnydequino

1:37 pm on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's funny - but why do affiliates think they can get away with bidding on name brands or trademark names? If I were you JamesBond - I will tell that affiliate to take a hike. Is your business trademarked, copyrighted?

I can't stand affiliates that have no imagination and bid on the companies name. It's pathetic, and a very short term gain at best.

fidibidabah

3:17 pm on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If your affiliate's link isn't there, someone elses will be. PRAISE THIS PERSON for giving you more ad inventory in major SEs :)

Michael Anthony

6:38 pm on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)



"It's funny - but why do affiliates think they can get away with bidding on name brands or trademark names?"

I think it's because they can. Whenever I get banned from bidding on a brand name by the merchant, I find a less blinkered competitor to take the traffic.

Sure, it's easy money, but it converts and it's a win-win. Unless the aff is misleading the consumer by their ad wording, this practise is wholly defensible.

I understand that one can apply to G to prohibit bidding on a trademarked brand, thus reducing the ability to enable affs to do what they do best, which is to be creative with their marketing efforts.

Surely the reason that any merchant seeks affiliates is because they believe that they have exhausted their own ability to generate traffic and want to build their sales?

Extending this twisted logic to a silly level, maybe I should try to trademark Casino, Credit card, mortgage, loan, etc. etc. :)