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Income taxes

Do they apply to AM?

         

johnnie

6:41 am on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

I was just wondering how you guys cope with income taxes? Do they apply to AM or are commissions pre-taxed?

Porkchop

8:02 am on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm not sure of your question.

I have set up a dba for my affiliate business. My commissions are counted as income. All office supplies, computers etc. are my expenses. The way the cpa explains it is I am only taxed on the difference (if my income is more than my expenses for that year).

hunderdown

1:18 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)



In the US, at least, affiliate programs do not withhold taxes. They do report earnings to the IRS. You pay taxes on them as you would any other personal business income (Schedule C, isn't it?).

ska_demon

2:25 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a "normal" job so i see aff marketing as income support. I do not declare my earnings but i do keep records and my check stubs in case the tax man wants to rob me blind again. When aff marketing becomes my business I shall declare all earnings.
Ska

conroy

3:28 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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note: not reporting income in the US = big trouble. Doesn't matter if you have a regular job or not. Report all of your income. Income from aff programs must be reported.

rfung

7:34 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Not to advocate anything, but it seems like having your 'own business' is a handy way to deduct a ton of expenses that otherwise you wouldn't be able to (i.e. computers, internet access, some office space at home, the new 20" lcd screen ;)...)

fclark

7:58 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You must report the aff revenue, since the merchants report it directly anyhow (in the US, they send 1099's to the irs with your social security number or employer id number on it). It's a total red flag when your tax return does not match, and you are asking for audit.

rfung, you are definitely correct that owning a business is the best way to reduce income tax. Your biggest single expense is income tax, for most people. Those who don't expense creatively are wasting money.

Michael Anthony

8:04 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)



In the UK the situation is the same and again having a business or sole trader status means that you can offset every conceivable "business expense" from your income, which you can't do as just an individual.

skibum

8:22 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ska_demon -

If you make more than $600.00 in a year from an AFF program or network, the IRS will know about it and depending on the amount and how late the payments are the tax man will rob you blind and naked if he can.

Ya gotta make estimated tax payments throughout the year if profits amount to much, otherwise you can get hammered for paying taxes at the end of the year but not as the income was earned. (In the states anyway)

johnnie

9:11 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So, the people that gross a few k's each month actually net about two thirds of it. I was hoping (and kinda thinking) that commissions had their taxes deducted before being paid out.

I don't know in which dreamworld I gathered that wisdom ;)

rfung

9:20 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That's not entirely true, because if you're smart you will find expenses to cover for the profit.

So if you make $2k in revenue, and you have $2k in expenses, you're paying 25%(or whatever bracket you are in) on the difference.

I dont think there's anyone who owns a business who doesn't creatively find ways to deduct expenses in order to reduce the profit. That's probably why the IRS set taxes so high come to think of it :)

wellzy

2:44 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I found that I really don't have to be creative to find expenses. Anything I buy that will even be remotely used for my business I count as an expense (such as my Palm).

I report all my earnings. I think it's foolish to take a chance that the IRS won't catch you. If they do, you'll wish you had claimed it all.

wellzy

webmastertexas

5:20 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've been planning to do my taxes myself this year. How many here does their own taxes, and if so, how did you learn to do it -- did you go to school, talked to CPAs, etc. I'm considering going to a taxman when the time comes, but I wanted to get your opinion.

Porkchop

5:58 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My choice is to let a tax professional do it. Find a friendly cpa in your area that can look at your paperwork and make suggestions on other ways to have deductions. You might be doing something now and are not aware that it could be a legitimate expense.

Michael Anthony

9:41 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)



Yep, I'll second that. A good accountant will more than cover their fees in tax savings. Ask a wealthy person that you respect for a recommendation. Doing your own taxes is an option, but for any decent sized income a professional will make more difference than you can alone, simply because of their expertise in this area.

fclark

5:52 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It can be difficult to find a CPA with the right "risk tolerance" -- some are way too conservative when it comes to grey-area expenses.

Also, I find that most CPA's are too expensive to handle all the bookkeeping, and they often have their associates or employees doing the actual work anyhow.

The best approach is to have an experienced bookkeeper set up your books, do the journal entries, balance your accounts, and file the monthly payroll taxes. Then you can take your books to the CPA at tax time.

davewray

6:57 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hire an accountant to do your taxes? Why? Because they are professional and can catch many other business "expenses" that you would have never thought of thus saving you even more money. Even if the accountant costs big bucks..so what? You can just deduct the cost of the accountant as a business expense the following year...hth

Dave.

Porkchop

8:15 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You can even deduct mileage for driving to see the accountant. :-)

mattglet

8:37 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Are these write off tips something my accountant should be telling me anyway, or do I need to be writing all this down? :)

Porkchop

4:13 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Both :-)

skibum

5:02 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Tax software can help wtih lots of this stuff if ya don't want to hire someone.

Income - hosting - PPC ads - some misc stuff - publications - conferences and travel - home office if you have an extra room dedicated to it or you can make it look like it when the IRS folks come out to see the "home office" and there are some other deductions as well.

webmastertexas

5:04 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Question: Can you deduct phone bills/Internet bills/electricity bills if it's not in your name, but you pay for it? Or would you have to change it to your name?

superbird

9:52 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If I have a seven room house with one bedroom being used as an office, do I deduct 1/7 of the mortgage? Or 1/7 of my half of the mortgage (partner isn't involved in the business)? I'm in the UK btw.

Michael Anthony

10:05 am on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)



It's tricky getting your own home classified as a business expense in the UK, and ideally you would have a company agreement where the company pays you rent for the office space at a "market rate".

Once again, it's an accountant who can show you how to take advantage of the loopholes without falling foul of the Inland Revenue.

webmastertexas

2:06 pm on Oct 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hmm, going for help is probably the smart thing. Mind as well. Don't want the taxman to come knocking a year later.

fclark

6:21 am on Oct 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Question: Can you deduct phone bills/Internet bills/electricity bills if it's not in your name, but you pay for it? Or would you have to change it to your name?

For expenses in another name, write a check to that person from your business account and note what it's for. Then expense it at tax time. Example: our business auto and personal auto insurance is on the same bill. The check to the insurance company is written for the full amount for both cars from the personal account, and then I invoice the business for the insurance on the benz, and the business reimburses our personal account with business check. The business portion is expensed.

Another example: you live at home with mom, who pays for the cable bill, which includes your 3-meg broadband connection ;) from her checking account. She invoices you for that portion, and you write her a check from your business account.

You can expense home office supplies (coffee, paper towels, fish food, etc.) Be creative.

Oh, get a separate business account.

superbird

10:55 am on Oct 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's tricky getting your own home classified as a business expense in the UK, and ideally you would have a company agreement where the company pays you rent for the office space at a "market rate".
I've heard of people doing it in a simpler way than that, but I can't remember what it was. We badly need to see our solicitor about wills etc and I also think we are supposed to own the house as "joint tennants" if we are working there.

Had a burst of enthusiasm for getting an accountant a couple of months back but none of them got back to me and I lost interest.

Vegas21

1:09 am on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In the US, if you have one room as an office in a 7 room home, you can either deduct 1/7th of the mortgage or rent or you can deduct it as a percentage of square footage.

I'd second the recommendations for an accountant. I found one using accountantsworld.com in the US. Most will offer a free hour consultation and you can get a sense of whether or not you'd like to work with them.

Tiebreaker

7:31 am on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Note:

If you are claimimg a proportion of rent/utility bills etc because one room in your house is used as an office, this may lead to complications if you sell that property.

In the UK, a private home is exempt from capital gains tax - but a business is not.

In the above example, you could find that you would have to pay tax on 1/7 of the capital gain in the value of your house - assuming you sell it for more than you paid for it.

For this reason, I don't bother claiming expenses for my 'office'.

fclark

2:41 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Similar in the US regarding capital gains on your home office. I was advised to stop deductions two years before selling and then it didn't apply.
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