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Do high PR non themed links count?

   
9:30 am on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

Is there any evidence that non-themed incoming links with high pagerank doesn't help a site and can possibly hurt it?
I would like your views on this please, and if anyopne can share any experiences this would be appreciated.

Bek.

1:49 pm on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi bekyed,

According to my own experience non-themed incoming links with high pagerank DO HELP a website a lot without doing any harm. I have several websites that their PR is based mainly on this kind of incoming links and they all enjoy high positions in search engines.

Just my 2 cents.
Aris

7:46 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My experience says, they help a gr8 deal. I really haven't seen this relevance factor in actual practice. Seems to me, all backlinks help, high pr help more.
5:53 pm on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My understanding of PR is that it is a purely numerical formula passed on from the PR of other sites without taking relevence into account. So, it should help your own PR value but not your position in the SERPs directly. Indirectly, PR is a factor in the SERPs so, in that sense, it would have some probably very small effect on your position in the SERPs.
11:07 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi,
I have similar question.
I am getting atleast 2 to 10 one way links per week for my website.All of them are with High PR with just one phrase.

All the incoming links are 100% themed to my content. Having same phrase for all incoming links will be of any help?
Should i keep changing these phrases for newer incoming links?
Please help

10:07 am on Jul 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hey conjo_guam

Text of the link (it is oftenly called "anchor text") increases the possibility of finding your site for "anchor text" search phrase. So, you should decide whether it is necessary to change the text in your link-building campaign or keep it the same accordingly to searchphrase targeting of your site.

8:19 pm on Jul 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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SeekSeven,
Thanks for letting me know that.
I will probably think more on the anchor text phrase and see whta is best for my field.

Regarding Link development, you won't get any one way links, unless you are offering them something in return.

The best thing for link development is either go for reciprocal link exchange or pay more to get quality links back (no bulk link services please)

conjo

8:38 pm on Jul 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Relevance is way overrated. If you worry too much about relevance you will miss out on some cheap one way links. I see way to many sites rank very well with only non-relevant links to think that Google has the means to determine whether a link is relevant or not.
5:33 am on Jul 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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One more question.
I got couple of websites linking to me on a sidebar. This is sitewide link. Will google count it as one link from that website or as many links as there are webpages from that domain?

I am asking this because those websites have more than 800 pages combined and yahoo shows that in their count while google doesnot. Maybe becuase their servers are not updated yet. The links were placed just last month.

I am seeing on thing though, Yahoo is fast in indexing the content while google takes some time.

Best regards

3:03 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm going to disagree with the view that you should stick to only one anchor text. It's not natural to have only one anchor text for all the links pointing to your site and the SEs may pick up on that unnatural linking behaviour. The SEs have semantic sub-algorithms built into their algorithm so if you throw in some semantically-related anchor texts here and there, you will create a more natural linking pattern and it will still support your main theme.
12:40 am on Aug 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Surely we couldn't be penalized for every personal homepage of a person talking about their dog and kids, but also likes something about our site.

That would be rediculous... since they certainly aren't going to write alot of copy about how great your products are and then link to you too..

3:20 am on Aug 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>>Surely we couldn't be penalized for every personal homepage...

Of course not. Marissa Mayer said, two or three years ago at an SES session, that they were discounting the value of the PR passed by irrelevant context. She didn't say they were penalizing the receiver of the PR, only that it wasn't passing as much as it otherwise would.

This went over a lot of people's heads as no one asked her about it in the Q & A. So I asked her about it, giving her the example of a web design company link on a university department website. She challenged what relevance a university department had to a web design business, and said that it was entirely fair to devalue the power of that link.

I reported that on WebmasterWorld a few days later. You can take it or leave it- I have no inside knowledge of what goes on inside the plex in this regard (although if I did I probably would have had to sign an NDA :P)

3:58 am on Aug 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm one who believes that relevance is worth aiming at, although not obsessing over.

If you focus on cultivating links that make good sense to human users (and that can cover a lot of ground), relevance for the search engines will take care of itself.

7:34 am on Aug 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I focus on relevance as well. Why? Well, if I wake up one morning and Google--after playing God--decides to 0 out non-rel type links, I'm ok.

That said, if there's a link to be had on the cheap, I'm interested. I just follow a simple rule. The more money/work something is, the more relevant it needs to be.

I think the worst that will happen one day is Google and others will make non-relevant links count for little or nothing. I doubt they will ever penalize, because it will be too easy to bring down competitive sites that way.

7:52 pm on Aug 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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This one always makes me chuckle. If someone in Japan links to you because he thinks your site is cool, how are the engines going to know what is relevant and not in Japanese. I think we give them more credit than is due. Does not matter where your links come from. Beleive me on some sites i get Russian at English to do the job. Search Engines cannot theme links.
2:08 pm on Aug 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If someone in Japan links to you because he thinks your site is cool, how are the engines going to know what is relevant and not in Japanese

Get a bunch of categories and assign a website one or more categories. They have travel, web design, insurance, ... in Japan as well, I guess.

Now compare the categories you assigned the two websites (or even single pages) - and you're done. No big deal, I'd say.

nerd.

 

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