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Website Trademark Infringement

What is the law?

         

Swordfish

12:08 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I started a reviews/forums website on a particular product that has a US trademark. I'm using a portion of the product name in the domain name such as productforums.com

Now the trademark owner company is coming after me, requesting that I transfer the domain immediately and take my site down.

I have a great disclaimer that states that I am not affiliated with company...

According to ICANN laws, they may be able to snatch my domain. I'm thinking of giving it up to avoid the hassle.

What do you think?

bird

1:05 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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portion of the product name

Can you be a bit more specific about this (without actually naming the brand)?

They only have protection for the full name as registered. You need to check if the part you're using is also protected seperately. If not, then you have some chances of getting away, especially if that part is a common word.

Swordfish

1:22 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The word is not common and the do in fact have a trademark. I sent you a PM.

txbakers

1:26 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Best to hire yourself a lawyer on that one. If you need a copyright attorney let me know. I have one I've been working with for years.

kaled

2:32 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Bear in mind that even if they manage to snatch your domain name, that will not entitle them to the content.

WITHOUT ADMITTING ANY LIABILITY, you could offer to sell both the domain and content. Of course, that presupposes that they wish to use the domain name for similar content and you don't plan to use the content elsewhere.

Kaled.

Swordfish

2:50 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I hate to hire a lawyer that will try to talk me into thinking he can win the case when he may now. I don't have the $$ ...

There are sites like this that get away with it...

Thanks for your help and replies.

bird

3:09 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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With the info given in the sticky, I'd say it's a very straightforward trademark infringment. It's not a "portion of the product name". The full product name is a portion of the domain.

The owner of the trademark has the exclusive right to decide who may use their mark and for what purposes. If you're using their name without their permission, then you're infringing, and no disclaimer can get you out of that.

It's not just a hassle, they're simply right. The correct thing to do is to give up the name, and establish your site under a different label.

Whether you want to admit anything to them is a seperate question. If you're lucky, they might be happy just to see the domain offline. And of course they also don't have any right in the content of your site.

There are sites like this that get away with it...

There are people getting away with various kinds of illegal activities all the time. That doesn't make them right.

Swordfish

3:16 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks.

I did contact a lawyer, although I don't think I'm going to waste my cash.

Looks like I will be responding to their letter giving in to taking the site down.

stajer

6:11 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I just wanted to respond to what I have seen is a common misconception.

In the US, a trademark holder does NOT have absolute right to determine what happens with their trademark. There are some permitted reasons a person can use someone else's trademark. The common test is whether there is a likelyhood of confusion between your product/service and the product/service of the TM owner. Would a person looking at your use of the TM believe you were actually the TM owner?

For example:

1. Creating a website that critics another company (eg. tmwordsucks.com (think paypal).

2. If you sell a product, you have the right to use the TM'ed name of that product. You might be able to use a TM'd word as a domain to sell ONLY that product, but probably not any other products on the same site.

3. You can compare your product to another TM'd product. Eg. Generic Beer tastes just like Bud.

4. For most TM'd words, the TM only extends to that product category. For example, a TM for a line of clothing does not prevent someone else from using that same TM on a car. But, if a TM is famous enough (think big burger chain) you probably can't use it on anything else.

On the web, however, a domain name will be taken from you if you are making money off of another persons trademark. You can run a fan/hate site of TM'd product, but you probably can't make any money (no adsense, etc).

IAL.

Hope that helps.

Swordfish

9:05 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks. I have decided to leave the site up and beef up my disclaimer a tad.

The site is doing nothing wrong and there have been cases just like this taken to court where the trademark holder has lost.

kaled

12:24 am on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's more than a year out of date but you may find the link below to be relevant. A thread on this subject running a day or so ago appears to have been deleted.

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Kaled.

[edited by: trillianjedi at 10:08 am (utc) on Sep. 14, 2005]
[edit reason] Original thread deleted because that one is a hoax ;-) [/edit]