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Hit counter dire straits

I need to set up a hit counter soon

         

albo

9:16 pm on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I had hoped not to beg at this level. I'd rather not ask for raw code. Is a hit counter something the hosting company provides (at least at some level) via link to <img src="...cgi."> or is it something the webmaster must write? I'm skilled only at the base html/css/javascript level right now; I'm studying PHP, studying ASP, etc. but haven't mastered anything of server-side stuff. If someone would point me toward quickie hit counter advice (or simply advise me that it's a hosting company service) I would be very grateful!

peewhy

9:19 pm on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Can I ask why you need a hit counter, what are you looking for?

albo

11:53 pm on Mar 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm putting up websites for two clients: they're eager to see if their websites are being hit at all and how often. One is a technology seller and one is a manufactured housing dealer.

albo

3:54 am on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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FYI to anyone reading this, I think I MAY be able to withdraw the question having later thought to do a site search on "hit counter" and fallen upon "webmasterworld.com/forum39/8.htm?hilight=hit+counter"

jorj

6:55 am on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I build a hit counter so I can tell that you will find many free ones on the net.Still , because of caching you'll never see one as <img src=""> but as document.write("<img src='aaa.gif?t='" + time() + "'>")

Goodluck

peewhy

10:07 am on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I was asking about the 'hit counter' and wondering whether you really need 'stats'.

An hit counter will only provide numbers. Those numbers are unreliable. Some hit counters will provide all hits and others will provide unique.

Can I suggest you look at stats instead.

JKMitchell

1:07 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Many hosting companies will supply access to stats packages - I've used webalizer in the past.

If you can't get online stats and can get to the log files you might try looking at webalizer or funnel-web or one of the many other packages. You can always load the resulting pages onto the server for your client to look at.

Hope this helps.

sem4u

1:11 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would find a host who can supply you with raw log files and an online log analyzer such as awstats.

albo

1:54 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I guess from all I've seen I should have been clearer: my 6 clients all have asked for ONLY a simple incremental graphic display i.e., 1 when the first user hits, 2 when the second user in the whole world hits the site, 3 when the third hits, etc. Not a lot of analysis and gathered stats for now, JUST a retained one-digit count (integer).

peewhy

2:14 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Search for 'free hit counters'.

albo

2:25 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I will search. Thanks all for your help. (And I DO realize that it must be difficult if not impossible to avoid bumping the count when the same client hits the same page multiple times during the same session?) Oh well. This website is a virtual encyclopedia!

bumpaw

3:00 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have developed a bias against hit counters and have been successful in spreading that to my clients so far. It seems to convey a negative image to a first time user when he sees that the count in relation to the age of the site is low. Clients that care at all about what their site is doing are usually more than happy with AWStats or something similar when you show it to them.

peewhy

4:50 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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100% correct. I've never really seen the purpose of a hit counter.

They tell the whole world ...including competitors that someone, somewhere is clicking on your site.

rocknbil

7:47 pm on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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albo you may do well to listen to these guys/gals. Here's why, and what to explain to your customer. In doing so, they will have a new respect for what you do.

The counter is an anonymous number. It means nothing, can be faked, and worst of all it has no character. Did this hit come from a visitor? A search engine? A spammer? You, or the customer? Did it come from a search engine or from someone directly typing in the URL? Is this a return visitor, or the same person reloading pages?

You can't know the answers to these from a hit counter. It doesn't hold this info. Your customer will begin to ask why sales are down, who's actually visiting, what search engines are working for you, and there is only one answer to this: stats.

Stats show where the traffic's coming from (search.google.com or direct request, in which someone enters the URL directly and not via a link, for example) whether it's unique (unique visits) where they get in, and where they leave (entry and exit pages.) It breaks to down by month, day, and hour. What pages are visited most, and what pages arenever visited at all. What search keywords bring them to your site.

Over time this reveals what's working and not working on your site, when the best time to push out specials or do maintenance is, and more importantly what ad programs are working for you. All of this barely scratches the gold mine to be found in your domain's stats over time.

And here's the best part: on almost any host, stats are free. No work, no nothing, ask them to set them up, go to the URL. Done deal.

And now for my opinion :-) (which should have little bearing.) Counters fall into the Stupid Web Tricks category along with animations and pop-ups. Everyone's doing it, anyone can, but you shouldn't because it chepens your hard work.

That's why you should use stats and not a counter. :-)

jorj

5:17 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A note though: a good counter IS used as a stats tool when is done properly and it fits very well where other stats are not available.More than that, a counter is not necesary visible (hidden hit counters)!

I agree there are few free counter+stats solutions to be as good as the free awstats script.

Ah, one more thing: a counter IS able to record exit links where a server stats is not. Viceversa, a counter does not record acurate info related to robots, so you need the stats also.

peewhy

10:44 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How can you get stats from a counter?

We're talking about a digital image that increases in number when the site is hit?

All you can see is a group of numbers.

jorj

12:51 pm on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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trust me, you can. That what the users see : an image with some numbers. But the image records every hit and can record nice data about the screen size the users use, the navigation paths, the entry and exit links, etc.

peewhy

3:59 pm on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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You talking about stats.

We are talking about a hit counter. A line of code with a graphic that counts hits...nothing more.

Two totally different things.

jorj

4:36 pm on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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They are as different as one wants to consider. I'm talking about what a counter can do..and can do much more than just to show some numbers.

sugarrae

4:44 pm on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>>convey a negative image

Exactly. You never know what a visitor may consider a "successful" number. For one person, they may see 1000 people and be impressed. Another may not be if the number is below 1 million. Hit counters mean nothing, can actually deter customers and serve no solid or worthy purpose.

My advice would be to try and convey this to your clients and let them know that you can give them access to a simple "behind the scenes" stats program instead. Then, if they still want the hit counter, at least you can sleep. ;-)

albo

5:17 pm on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have printed your opinions and will present them to one of my clients this afternoon (sans this reply). I will cite the obvious credentials from which the opinions arise. If he nonetheless INSISTS on a counter then tough luck, the "customer is" moan, "always right". Thank you all!

Occupant

3:39 am on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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albo, may I suggest that you take a look at StatCounter. They are a free service, visible or hidden counter and the depth of the stats is amazing. And to top it off, they are big Webmaster World supporters. Cheers.