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zulufox

2:36 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Let pretend I have a large site which is a guide to donating products to third world countries.

I don't make money on this site yet, however it is very possble to do to (through affiliate programs and adsense).

The topic sounds very altrustic, however upon getting really deep into the topic I am seeing hints that there is quite a lot of business behind this topic, people making VERY good livings and sometimes not even forwarding the products to the third world (selling them and donating a portion of the profits to the third world).

They are not doing anything illegal, but perhaps immoral and certainly misleading. Not ALL the organizations are doing this, but quite a few, certainly the ones that have the cash to pay for advertising.

Sometimes people discover this "truth" and email me, but I never have the heart to reply, why? Because on some point I agree with them, I'd never donate anything through these guys.

So I am in a ethical dilemna, do I work on the site and play the igorant card while I'm promoting something I don't completely agree with. Or do I stop working on the site and throw in the towel (even though saying you work on a site that supports donating products overseas SOUNDS AMAZING on the surface)

encyclo

2:48 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you feel what you are doing is wrong, then stop.

However, I'd first write down a "charter", which can be published on your site and which indicates exactly what you do and where your limits are. There is a large element of trust when it comes to philanthropy, and you need to build that trust into your site as an integral part.

I'm not suggesting badmouthing other sites/companies which work in this field, but never have dealings with, run advertisements for, etc. any association, company or other entity which you do not feel meets the minimum standards set out in your charter.

Trust comes from clarity, openness and good organization. Work on those aspects and tread carefully. Charities are big business, and unfortunately, some of the darker side of big business ethics have filtered through to affect entities working in this field.

Rosalind

4:07 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you have standards that you want to adhere to, you could react by giving the best write-ups to the charities that give the biggest percentage to those they are supposed to be supporting, and waste the least on admin. Like big businesses they will have the same need to foster good publicity, so get hold of some facts and figures and let people know.

There is always going to be a conflict between what your advertisers want known, and what your audience wants to know, no matter what subject you cover.

isitreal

4:50 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'd say the simple fact that you're asking the question means you already know the answer. If you're helping sleazeballs skim money off charities then that's what you're doing, you should be commended for feeling guilty about it, too many people just go along and say, ah, it's ok, if it wasn't me it would be someone else.... famous last words

shigamoto

8:54 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If an organization doesn't forward money or equipment donated to it to third world countries as it claims to do isn't that fraud?

Actually it's not "perhaps immoral" as you wrote, it's immoral. Don't do anything that you feel uncomfortable with even if you gain from it, it will come back and stab you in the back anyway.

Hope it works out!

zulufox

10:22 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks guys, after speaking to a world famous ethnics professor (oddly enough there is one on campus) I've decided to take my own road.

Instead being a site that is a guide to donating products to third world countries by promoting the organizations.

It is going to be shifted into a site that is an INDEPENDENT guide by showing which organizations are good and which are bad. This way I can still promote good organizations, but I can make an even greater difference by directing people towards good organizations and away from bad organizations.

mincklerstraat

11:37 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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See you came to a decision, a good one I think. I'd written the below and forgot to post it / turn my 'puter off, and see it's still here, so will still post it.

Continuing to pretend that you have this site which is a guide to donating stuff to third world countries, wouldn't the issue that you bring up really be one of the most key factors to what your guide is actually about? I.e., donating stuff to third world countries? It's not a guide to feeling good about yourself because you think you donated something to a third world country. It should be about organizations that actually 'deliver on the goods.'

This is a very big problem in charity for reasons people outline here - no one wants to be the messenger of the bad news that these people - organizations who seem really nice are actually sinking the majority of accumulated funds - or close to it - into promotional materials and running costs. However, this is very important news for people who are looking to give. The continual reluctance of some charity organizations to be accountable for their funds and actions perpetuates the cynical attitude of some who then are skeptical of giving to any organization.

Down side for a site that lives on advertising for charity causes is that the ones that spend the biggest percentage on funding campaigns are likely to be the ones with the biggest budget for promotions. However, if you stick to supporting the ones which seem to maintain responsible use of given funds, you will sleep better, and are probably also more likely to become an 'important' site within this niche.

encyclo

11:46 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think you've made an excellent decision, zulufox, and not only will is sit well with your conscience but also it will be a site which has a very valuable contribution to make in that field.

Best of luck with your new, reinvigorated project!

isitreal

12:58 am on Oct 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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zulufox, as a friend said, fight the good fight, sounds like a great plan

iamlost

4:29 am on Oct 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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an INDEPENDENT guide by showing which organizations are good and which are bad.

I agree with your choice.

But please be very careful when showing "which are bad". Document (not just hearsay) and be explicit in your reasoning. Some very big charities have been known to be very upset, litigious, and a public relations nightmare when their faults are exposed.

Having the human resources of a world class ethics prof (and perhaps a law prof as well?) available may be what is needed to set out a site framework/guideline for how to best grade and document the organisations behaviour.

jk3210

6:10 am on Oct 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Do the world and yourself a favor...pick up the phone and call CBS and ask to be put in touch with a 60 Minutes producer. Explain the situation to them and also explain what you intend to do about it. Let their film crew follow you around for a day while you work on your new site that will expose the bad guys for the low-class individuals they are.

You'll be amazed what a twenty minute spot on a national news show will do for you new site's traffic.

shigamoto

4:05 pm on Oct 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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good choice :)

Artstart

4:24 pm on Oct 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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follow your heart, if in any way this makes you uncomfortable - stop.


You'll be amazed what a twenty minute spot on a national news show will do for you new site's traffic.

talking about morals =)

topr8

4:39 pm on Oct 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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oh my what a load of wash in this thread,

get into the real world ... the big charities/not for profits whatever you want to call them, are big businesses, with co-orporate structure. directors, fundraisers and so forth all on decent salaries (and why not), they have offices paying rent etc,etc - believe me they all make a profit (its a question of semantics about how this is defined, but if they weren't they would be history)

there are scammers true and companies that play the old, x% of profits to charity/third world game, but most of the legit charities are not giving anything like as much money to the third world (in % of gross) as you might think either.

Webwork

5:16 pm on Oct 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I love to be able to make fact based decisions.

When it comes to charitable giving I love to know exactly where the money is going and exactly how it is being spent/invested for the greater good.

Dig for the facts. Stick to the facts. Present the facts and let the cards fall where they may.

Ask hard questions. Put them in writing and ask for a reply in writing. Let people know what questions you asked and how fuzzy the answers were. When it comes to dollars and cents don't accept fuzzy numbers. Opinions can be fuzzy. Dollars need to add up.

webmastertexas

7:04 pm on Oct 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have to agree with most of the replies. If *YOU* seem to think there's something wrong with it, why torture yourself and do it?

Watcher of the Skies

7:34 pm on Oct 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Zulu...you already know the answer to your question, don't you? Do the right thing. Pretty simple concept, eh, and you know what it is. Whether you're here looking for an excuse or a justification, GET IT TOGETHER and be a man about this and proceed strongly and confidently. But don't choose the wrong side.

jk3210

8:33 pm on Oct 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>talking about morals<<

The "moral" thing to do is to take action to STOP THE ABUSE by bringing it to the attention of the public as my message indicated.