I am not making any money :-(

make money visitors traffic revenue

[jason77]

I have 500 visitors per day and I hardly make any money with affiliate programmes.

from 10 000 visitors only a couple of clicks are generated but never any sales.

How many visitors do you have per month and how much do you earn with them?

What is your best converting affiliate programme?

Do I need 10,000 visitors or more per day to make some money?

and if so, do the costs of the immense traffic not eat all the generated revenues?

[coconubuck]

I think it depends on the program and what you are offering your customers. If your site is user friendly, that will help as well. You can get as many visitors as you want but if they cant get around your site, they arent going to buy.

[1milehgh80210]

I believe in many cases this has to do with the content/theme of the site not having a close enough correlation with the affiliate products being sold.

Also a lot of affiliate product is way over-exposed.Why would I click on your link if I've already seen it 100 times elsewhere.

[Shak]

I have 1 visitor a day, every day, each visitor makes a purchase and there is a good margin.

I am happy.

Visitors mean nothing,

Shak

[Mohamed_E]

As coconubuck said, much depends on the navigability etc of your site. Much also depends on the nature of your site and of its visitors. Are they coming hoping to buy something, or are they seeking information? In the latter case selling them something will be much harder.

Let me suggest that you spend some time reading the Advertising Sales and Affiliate Programs [webmasterworld.com] forum. You will get lots of ideas, and when you have more specific questions you will get answers.

[coconubuck]

Shak, How can you say visitors mean nothing? I would think it depends on what you market and how you market. If you only had one person a day purchasing from your site in some programs, you would never make it.

[Shak]

it all depebds on what You or I sell.

Visitors isnt the key, ROI, Profit and Product are...

Shak

[coconubuck]

Ah-ha! That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification, Shak.

[txbakers]

I have a site, but I don't sell anything on it. And I'm making lots of money from it.

My "site" is a robust database application delivered over the internet. People pay me to use it, and I host their data.

Like shak said, it's all relative.

[killroy]

Shak, but you have to admit, all else being equal, 2 visitors buying is better then one visitor buying ;)

SN

[Shak]

NOT if 1 visitor costs you to 10p to bring in, and the 2nd costs £10.00 to bring in :)

Shak

[EliteWeb]

Visitors or page views? When talking to people they commonly get those two mixed up. To tell you the truth I haven't looked to see how many unique visitors have gone to my site in ages. All I know is more pageviews for me is more sales.

[killroy]

Well that's a few things being different I'd say ;)

But the real point is that optimizing ROI can often be done much more effectively then just increasing traffic.

SN

[Marcia]

Are you using banners or text links? Just general links to the other site or specific product links?

[StanBo]

Bravo, Shak!

Wholeheartedly agree - pageviews, uniques, bla-bla-bla are not what should be taken into account when we talk business.

[chiyo]

To me the overiding factor is the reason people visit your site. Are they visting to find free info, chat and interact, or are they visiting to buy (especially a particular product). Getting the first type of treffic is relatively easy, the second is much more diffcult, but the value, qualification and motivation of each visitor is far higher. As usual the more effort or finance you put into attracting the right type of visitor via PPC, strategic partnerships, very smart SEO, and targeted advertising etc, a site getting just a few visitors a day can make much more than one getting 20,000 a day.

[StanBo]

Chivo,
finance is not what matters, effort is the key. Effort and knowledge.
No "PPC, strategic partnerships, very smart SEO, and targeted advertising etc" will bring you that perfect visitor, unless YOU find out what he is, study him, find-out where and how to grab him etc. Marketing is the key, and tools (or ways of paying to use them) - as long as they can support your marketing projections the actual tools used to reach the ultimate goals are of no real importance.

[johnafrid]

I have a site thats not even complete and ZERO SEO. All pages are untitled, no descriptions, no keywords etc. But still google found it through a post I put up in a newsgroup for a some ideas on logos. Google indexed a few pages and gave it PR 2 for most of the pages.

Its a niche market I deal in from Japan. So far, I have a very few visitors a day like 4 or 5 and I had 3 sales with around a $ 1000 in sales...I think its more what you sell and that brings all the Dollars.

I just cant wait to SEO my site over the weekend and then submit it to all the engines and directories + do some paid promotion. I will post here the results since I got a lot from this group.....I know I will pay for the subscription once I can pay the rent through my site

[chiyo]

Stanbo wrote >>No "PPC, strategic partnerships, very smart SEO, and targeted advertising etc" will bring you that perfect visitor, unless YOU find out what he is, study him, find-out where and how to grab him etc. Marketing is the key, and tools (or ways of paying to use them) - as long as they can support your marketing projections the actual tools used to reach the ultimate goals are of no real importance. <<

Im pretty sure we are agreeing. Of course if you are going to use the various traffic generators intelligently the basic number one step is to know your customer of course, and this makes a real difference (it is not "of no real importantance") in deciding what channels, tools and strategies will be most effective.

[jason77]

so far I believe the only people that do make some money on the internet are those that move on the border to illegality....I mean those websites that have no content, only linkfarms with lots of keywords in the anchor text and urls that open hundreds of popups.

either that or websites that actually sell products.

I can not imagine a community website, chat or discussion board could make any profit at all. Those general websites would need 10ths of thousands of visitors per day for a couple of months in revenue through affiliate programmes if they dont charge any membership fees....but on the other hand lots of traffic is also expensive.

I also tried direct links to related books on amazon, but I noticed the books that actually brought me some money were indirect sales - probably the small percentage of people that were going to buy a book there anyway and they just happened to be on a link on your website before that left a cookie. I never saw any direct sales on the amazon links.

[coconubuck]

I dont believe that at all, Jason77. There are many people who play by the rules, work hard to create a great site and make money off of it. There will always be people that take the low road and pull in revenue by deceptive means, but rest assured that there are people out there doing it the honest way.