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Richard Lowe
The page views are those who missed the X and clicked in the window! ;)
Another point to take into account is..
In order for you to gain impressions you need to give out impression. I cant speak for internet users in general but if I was on your site (or anyone else’s) and I saw a popup (or pop under appear in my task bar) I tent to instantly fall out with that site. More often than not I go to the address bar or Google tool bar and move on. To be honest I think you are risking the stickiness and usability of your website and you really don’t have a lot to gain from it.
Ugh, hate them.
As a member of an exchange or a visitor of a site using them?
Akogo
The page views are those who missed the X and clicked in the window!
Akogo
I assume it'll be if the part of the script that logs your views has loaded or not - I usually zap pop ups before I get any visual :)
There was a bit of noise in regards to pop-ups a while back and google. Some even thought that google were using pop-ups.
It turns out that spyware seemed to be the root of the problem- though I doubt these sort of pop-up programs go into the mix well.
I'm not saying that google would ban you for using them- but due to the reaction that came when it was suggested that G uses pop-ups...to me it gave me a good idea on the general consensus of popups :)
RE the program.
If it gives you a deceent rate, I say go for it. If you have a good site, people will bear the popups
I follow your thoughts about pop-ups, but I wanted to know about peoples experiences with pop-unders.
Akogo
As a member of an exchange or a visitor of a site using them?
Both. Dislike them intensely as visitor. Don't like them on my site because they make it look cheap, generate few (if any) click-throughs and often don't agree with what other sites on the exchange are advertising and showing.
Richard Lowe
Note that directory editors may not like them.
PPC editors may not like them
And adwords guidelines state:
"We do not allow links that generate pop-ups when users enter or leave your site. We consider a pop-up to be any window, regardless of content, that opens in addition to the original window."
Would you say the "hits" generated in your logs from pop-under exchanges to be "artificial" vs. "real" from the search engines?
Akogo
made no $
Akogo
RE spider hits
If you mean spiders being counted as "exit views", then IMO, if they don't filter known spiders - I wouldn't go with them.
The potential for them to be conned out of money, by whomever, would be pretty high!
RE spider hits
When I asked this exchange's representive if the traffic from her exchange was the same quality as those received from search engines she could not confirm this. She replied by saying "traffic is traffic". She never replied back after I ask her this "tough" question.
Akogo
I only use one pop under, I use it on entry, not
on exit, and the pop under is highly targeted to
the users interest.
Im getting a 20% hit ratio.
In not getting any negative feedback or loss of
visitors because:
a) its a pop under and use on entry and not
on exit, so the average user ussually does
not know where in his surf, the pop under came from.
b) The pop under points to a resource which is
ussally of interest to the user.
Would you say the "hits" generated in your logs from pop-under exchanges to be "artificial" vs. "real" from the search engines?
Pop-under exchanges seem to have generated totally untargetted, uninterested hits. Search engines are better, and I've found qualified links for republished articles is extremely targeted.
Richard Lowe
PPC visitors = 1/8 > 1/10 conversion rate
Search Engines Very Similar as above
Targeted Banner advertising > 1/52
Pop Unders > 1/5000+
Biggest rip off around, traffic is usually junk, and as has been mentioned, they usually close the window before your page loads, some even think YOU are spamming them in some way, as I was getting complaints from people.
keep well away.
Shak
