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Are there any decent two word .com's left?

         

dailypress

12:43 am on May 8, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Damn it! I spent over 6 hours in 1 day at the airport looking for a name for my new business. Even names that dont sound good, dont exist anymore.

Has anyone been lucky with good .com's?

dailypress

2:32 pm on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

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pageoneresults: thanks for sharing the service you use.

We've had the Gold Rush already. Now it is a matter of mining in areas that have yet to be mined. :)
Thats why i sometimes wish I was a bit older ;)

How much do you think the names Google, Yahoo, Twitter... are worth?
Are worth? Probably millions! ;) They are exceptions. A good domain can always help.

Maybe they won't get any type-in traffic,...
I doubt many domains get type-in traffic anymore. More and more people are learning the difference between URL's and Search Engines.
A few names are exceptions of course such as some adult websites.
I have noticed that some of my traffic is from people searching for mydomain.com but that does not mean they necessarily dont know the difference cause sometimes thats even my own method of visiting websites, Google corrects my spelling for long domain names + moving the cursor to Google text box is easier + I know for sure that I will have some sort of result in the domain search were if I had mis-typed it in the URL I would either land on a spammy parked page or get an error.

anyway, with all the softwares and web-services used in acquiring names that are about to expire we need to search and dig much deeper.

MrHard

5:47 pm on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)



Honestly, I have searched almost every stupid combination of 2 relative keywords to my business + included the ones that don't really make sense either and they are all taken!

Get creative with hyphens.

dailypress

6:27 pm on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Not a big fan of hyphens, but thanks anyway. Do you know of any very popular website that uses hyphens in the domain?

Demaestro

7:44 pm on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

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A random Adjective and a random Noun usually will come up with some.

There are even some sites that generate these for you. I remember seeing a site called something like "good Name For a Band" and it was just some english randomizer.

Like:

yellow platypus
or
juicy steamboat

Keep in mind your name doesn't have to have any meaning at all to your industry. In fact the top companies in most industries have names that have nothing to do with their mandate.

Google and Yahoo come to mind.

You can even try spelling out sounds phonetically.

Aiyeee
whomp
cha ching

[edited by: Demaestro at 7:49 pm (utc) on May 14, 2009]

mistah

8:55 pm on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Large corporations often favour made up words for brand names as they offer stronger trademark protection. A two word domain would not offer the best trademark protection (even as a registered trademark) as it could be objected to as being too "descriptive."

JS_Harris

11:25 pm on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Plays on current events sometimes work, like "hamthrax" or "porculosis" if it's a health site etc. People remember sounds too, most names like snap, crackle and pop are gone but if you can think of a catchy sound description... just ideas.

tangor

11:30 pm on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Hyphens work. Underscores do not. Depends on the words, how long they are, and how difficult to type.
1-2-3 for example, is easy to type.

callivert

11:59 pm on May 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Do you know of any very popular website that uses hyphens in the domain?

Yes. Try www.ama-assn.org (the official site for the American Medical Association!)

also, strolling through Alexa I found a stack of successful hyphenated .com websites, particularly in categories like health and arts.

pageoneresults

12:25 am on May 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I'm going to disagree with any suggestions on hyphenated domains. There are just too many risks associated there especially with encroachment on the non-hyphenated version. Nah, I'd say hyphens are the Kiss of Death in most instances. If you don't have the non-hyphenated version too, there may be some challenges.

I can't remember the last time I typed a hyphenated domain name, I can't. Those that have them usually have all permutations and the hyphens occurred naturally or an SEO was involved in the decision to separate the keywords using hyphens and launch with that domain. I would have never done that but there are many around here who would.

Hyphens are the Kiss of Death. They even look like it. Puckered lips and all.

[6]-[/6]

Darn things will always convert in URI Shortening routines too (the hyphen(s) cause it). You can't maintain any domain name brand on networks like Twitter.

callivert

1:51 am on May 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Nah, I'd say hyphens are the Kiss of Death in most instances.

Define "kiss of death," because there are plenty of hyphenated websites that don't seem to have been kissed. Specifically, what's the risk? That the site will leak a percentage of visitors to the non-hyphenated domain? That doesn't seem like the end of the world. Maybe it's an acceptable cost. After all, many websites lose visitors to typos of various kinds. (youtube -> utube) is a famous example.

callivert

1:53 am on May 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Having said that, I admit that I personally avoid hyphens! :-)

kumar_pg

7:48 am on May 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I normally would start <by> searching <snip> expired domain lists, which at least gives me an idea to extend my imagination to coin my own domain name :)

[edited by: Webwork at 11:56 am (utc) on May 15, 2009]
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gibbergibber

11:18 am on May 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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--The concept of reducing competition by suppression is not new. Makes good business sense. --

Is that strictly legal though? It sounds like a measure designed to stifle competition.

HuskyPup

3:31 pm on May 15, 2009 (gmt 0)



Is that strictly legal though?

What would be illegal about it? You'd never get an international agreement about it...never, never, never!

It sounds like a measure designed to stifle competition.

So long as you're not squatting on competitors trademarks etc, where's the problem?

Is one going to be penalised for first mover advantage etc? :-)

moTi

4:24 pm on May 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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As an example, I picked up the German word for "see you soon". A killer 6 letter .com that may or may not see the light of day. I'm still thinking about that one.

german for "see you soon" is "bis bald" = 7 letters ;)
anyhow, the .com for german words is pretty useless in most cases, all the more if you don't own the .de of the same word. you'll get in the same trouble like people who own the .net but not the .com. german words are used almost exclusively with the .de as that tld comes to peoples' minds first of all. and if you own the .de you will want to 301 the .com there.

HuskyPup

2:05 am on May 17, 2009 (gmt 0)



german for "see you soon" is "bis bald" = 7 letters ;)

I wondered who else would know that unless there is another colloquisim of which I am not aware:-) ... Hmmm... going to get told now eh?

and if you own the .de you will want to 301 the .com there.

Yep, so many do not realise that .com-mon is not that so much used in some countries!

ogletree

4:22 am on May 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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There are some. I almost always find one eventually.

tangor

5:51 am on May 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Whew! I'm a day or so behind and this topic has migrated from two word or two letter to hyphenated to foreign word(s)...

Is it just me or does this conversation seem to come around on a fairly regular basis?

JenSale

11:14 pm on May 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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@dailypress Have you considered a premium/aftermarket domain name?

callivert

11:22 pm on May 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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this topic has migrated from two word or two letter to hyphenated to foreign word(s)

the topic is two word .coms, not two-word non-hyphenated English-language .coms.

gpilling

3:51 am on May 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

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My first word was something like: my, your, I , e,

I think that is your problem. Maybe try your keyword with some non-trendy prefix or suffix. Like putting an X or Q in front of the keyword or maybe ending the keyword with "ology" or similar typical suffix. exampleology.com :)

dailypress

8:40 pm on May 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

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@dailypress Have you considered a premium/aftermarket domain name?
...

I think that is your problem. Maybe try your keyword with some non-trendy prefix or suffix. Like putting an X or Q in front of the keyword or maybe ending the keyword with "ology" or similar typical suffix. exampleology.com :)

Yes, I have. However, I am looking for a specific domain combination. I would like a specific keyword in it and I dont think adding suffixes like X will help.

I just got a response to purchase a one made up word .com domain that I think may work for my new business, but I have been playing the (negotiating and delaying in email response game for the past 10 days) which of course I hate playing but it seems as if the seller doesnt mind doing! ;) Wish me luck!

gpilling

6:05 am on May 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

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good luck

uasky

6:51 am on May 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

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you are later
good domain had regester
you can buy it from others
some domain not expensive
good luck!

Tommybs

12:16 pm on May 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Personally I don't see a problem with hyphenated domains. Sometimes they can be advisable to separate words if you don't think a domain name through thoroughly. There are a number of cases of domain names that could be interpreted a number of ways depending on how you read them.

I would post an example here but don't want to break TOS, but I'm pretty sure most people have seen some of the more obvious examples.

the_nerd

10:00 am on May 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Assume everything around your keywords has been taken. Even if you found one that's been left it won't set you apart from the pack. Why don't you try and come up with a "brandable" name that is easy to remember?

When Amazon.com and ebay.com where registered, the owners could easily have registered 100s of names with "books", or "auction" in it, yet they didn't call it "mynextbook.com" or "yetanotherautctionsite.com" (just checked out of curiosity: 1st. one is taken and parked, second one is still out there).

Tommybs

5:00 pm on May 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Whilst I agree with you about creating a brandable name I also wonder about the risks in doing this if you don't have the "muscle" to market your new brand. When you first start out a user might search for "red widgets" and your site comes up in google on the first page. Now they have never heard of your brand and another domain such as buy#*$! comes up ahead of you. A user might think they might be a better option.

I'm purely speculating here as a user might think that your brand name is more appealing and looks more professional and be drawn to that, but you never know how people think. As with most things, I guess there are pros and cons.

It is of course a lot easier/cheaper to market a new brand these days with various social tools but I still think you need a bit more financial muscle to really get your brand out there in the beginning to compete.

Any other thoughts on this?

gpilling

11:14 pm on May 23, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I'm purely speculating here as a user might think that your brand name is more appealing and looks more professional and be drawn to that, but you never know how people think. As with most things, I guess there are pros and cons.

I did this. I got the .net keyword domain that perfectly described the product, and also made a trade name domain (made up 6 letter word). The .net domain got to the first page of Google. The trade name never got within 5 pages of #1.

Sales from the keyword domain : $0
Sales from the brand :$10K per month online, $240K per month offline.

It seems that people search for their very particular need, not the generic trade name. These were auto parts so there is some specificity to the applications. The sales were always from long-tail type detail keyword searches with one exceptoin - the best paying keyword was the domain name and its misspellings (lots of misspellings!)

Online revenue got to $.50 per visitor, which I thought was pretty good.

Brands work - yes they take time and yes you need to promote the brand. All things being equal, well nothing ever is equal. I prefer to do branded sites that can be told verbally and understood, in .com - your mileage may vary.

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