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Hugene

3:48 pm on Jun 26, 2008 (gmt 0)

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New Domain Extensions [news.bbc.co.uk] Get ICANN Approval
A complete overhaul of the way in which people navigate the internet has been given the go-ahead in Paris.

The net's regulator, Icann, voted unanimously to relax the strict rules on so-called "top-level" domain names, such as .com or .uk.

The decision means that companies could turn brands into web addresses, while individuals could use their names.

Here it goes, I am the first to post the news (hopefully)

This is kind of nuts. Big mistake.

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Commerce

6:54 am on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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g1smd,

You bet they will (and I believe that you are thinking in American terms). Globally, in addition to the some.bank.com, they will also type in some.bank.il, some.bank.es, etc, because we have all spent the last 10 or so years educating them to do exactly that. I know this to be true, trust me.

I have got to believe that the good folks at CentralNIC are going to be very happy with this choice, along with every other premium .Com generic name holder.

I think I read that "domainers" are upset about this in an earlier post. While that may be true for those who entered after 2000, some of the other "old timers" probably see this as a plus.

Also, in times of change come opportunities. While I do not think that this is a good thing for the Internet as implemented (or at least as reported), it is what it is and, until the denouement, nobody will truly know the answers to several great questions brought up in this thread.

-Commerce

walkman

7:30 am on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)



My opinion as well:

"An increase in clutter might make the tried-and-true endings, especially .com, stand out even more.

"People have branded in their minds the original extensions -- .com, .net and .org," Jackson said. "Downtown real estate in Los Angeles doesn't get any less valuable because someone's building out in Oxnard.""
[latimes.com...]

“If you have hundreds or thousands of new suffixes, they are not that easy to remember. I just see it as confusing,”
[nytimes.com...]

the .coms will be the 5th ave, where established businesses have their offices and stores. The .newones will be best for watches.ebay, and that's because everyone knows ebay.

after reading a bit more, the root servers are NOT stored like the .com ones in dozens of places worldwide. So I can register .smith and sell james.smith, etc etc but if my servers are down, your site will not be accessible. It may not happen often, but when it does, an entire segment of sites will be out. Plus, what protection will one have ? Who is that new contract with?

ratel

8:09 am on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Could have an interest for my branch ( scientific / research sites ) : I'd love some consortium of research institutes to buy .sci or such and only attribute domains if the scientific validation loop (ie referees etc.) of the requerrant is sound. 'Twould need a big effort (and jobs for epistemologists) but I can hope.

walkman

9:00 am on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)



Unless they regulate this, someone will own a .pizza or .dentist, .hotels and the like. Like owning the entire .com names in any one or 1000 categories as long as you pay once. Make it so even 754-hbhgdgdgdgddf4454545.hotels shows ads and you're rich.

Stupid stupid stupid. Get ready for the big time players to buy them all. Some might resell the vanity names but that will not catch up IMO.

Murdoch

1:06 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Seems to me that ICANN is just getting away with selling us subdomain addresses.

What is the difference between widgets.widget.com and www.widget.widgets?

In fact, widget.widgets is WORSE because now the search engines will have to come up with some sort of rules structure for all these new TLDs (which, I hope, just means not indexing them).

How long will it be before in Webmaster Tools we see "Submit your TLD"?

smartpc

1:12 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Vanity and email domains aswell as clubs but as a searchable extension I dont think so.

It`s a laugh..... a money making scam by icann ucann and wecann

coca-cola goes out and buys .cola for example then starts giving away free domains on the back of every bottle, is google suppost to come along and index them is google and other companies suppost to alter there coding and add new extensions to there backend everytime somebody turns up with a 100k to buy an extension....dont think so.

aleksl

1:22 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)



absolutely driven by spammers and big domainers

why buy s e x.com for $14 million, when you can own entire .s e x for 6 digits?

noone can have another hotels.com? so what, get .hotel for low 6 digits, generate 10 million spam pages on it. you will be rolling in dough

Nobody is going to remember these TLDs ... is it bars.nyc? bars.newyork? bars.newyorkcity? newyork.com? newyork.bars? darn, let me try the search engine....more spam there....spam and paid listings...I just want to find a bar in new york....%&#**@#$!

oddsod

1:35 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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For years I've talked down the values of dot com domains and argued that a lot of the pricing was based on the belief that their importance will last infinitely.

With each new wave of TLDs the dot com importance wanes. Not everybody will accept it and anybody selling dot com domains - or with a large stock of them - won't admit it. But it's inevitable. The erosion is happening in many small ways but... it is happening. Despite the joke that .eu has supposedly become there are companies happily using it. If you have a brand that recognised across Europe, and did not rely on your website for business, why would you not have a .eu? And all those companies with .eu domains are companies that did not buy a dot com for their main site. There will be more and more organisations who realise that a dot com is not essential and it'll take less than ten years for the dot com's lead to fade into oblivion.

smartpc

1:46 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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lol......... em .mobi is going to change the world of mobile internet 2 billion phones its a revolution....

Not. So why will anyother extension do it?

Its going to be spam central... big G and search engines will ultimately decide there value... then you will be picking up new domains on them for 5 cents.

smartpc

1:49 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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But hey icann are licking there lips thinking of all that domain tax there going to be getting every year? forget the 100k I want all those 25 cents.

StoutFiles

1:51 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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The Chair recognizes the delegate from Spain."

"Mr. Chairman, 'con' means 'with' in the hispanic languages. We, the Spanish, Mexican, Portuguese and other Latin delegations protest the proposed denial of the .Con gTLD.! Con is a word dear to us . . and, BTW, it is the acronym for our largest (whatever) . . and, sir, why must we defer to the American .Com interests or the interests of the English speaking countries (especially when we currently have more votes on the Board) . ."

Sir, .com has established itself as #1 and as important as the word "with" might be to you it would be receiving almost all of its traffic from typos. The gTLD .con has been put aside and to be fair no one may use it ever.

weeks

1:54 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I think smartpc asks a legit question. Is this one answer:

One of the real opportunities could be dot-news.
Subject matter (auto.news, election.news, beer.news), location (Germany.news), people (Bush.news, Brittney.news), etc.

In the right hands, this will be a good thing. You should buy it. You or Google or Yahoo or Microsoft or Dow Jones or Associated Press. You go first.

aleksl

1:58 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)



Now that I think about it...it is not such a bad deal for ICANN.

$100,000 for the rights to gTLD, then fee for every new domain registered. Isn't Network Solution also getting a cut, or is it only for .com? Want a .hotel? Sure, it is $100,000, plus a fee for each new domain. So if you want these 100,000 hotels on it, you'd better have a million dollars to invest, which is not such a big of a deal for IAC

also, I think it will be a temporary traffic burst for people owning generics, like news.com. How many people will type in auto.news.com instead of auto.news...

Murdoch

2:13 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Sir, .com has established itself as #1 and as important as the word "with" might be to you it would be receiving almost all of its traffic from typos. The gTLD .con has been put aside and to be fair no one may use it ever.

Sorry Stout, but Webwork is right. As soon as the race/culture card is pulled nobody will be able to justify restricting any gTLD. Your answer to the question might as well have been:

Sir, the United States has established itself as #1 and as important as your language might be to you it would be receiving almost all of its traffic from fast typing US citizens. The gTLD .con has been put aside and to be fair no one may use it ever because the US does not care about the rest of the world.

Do you really think that kind of rationale would really stand? Doubtful.

gamiziuk

3:57 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I think I want .EXE so I can sell various Windows programs on it.

:cigar:

walkman

5:00 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)



>> In the right hands, this will be a good thing.

it's not in the right hands; it's in the $$$ hands. PPC ads on a *.news are much more valuable than selling names to us. Same with .homes etc etc etc

IanKelley

7:20 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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make them write a valid e-mail parser in PHP or ASP.

(Chuckle) Ugh hadn't thought of that.

habits can change over time, and with enough marketing power behind this the .com could become (eventually) a thing of the past.

Just as soon as the .com websites that everyone visits are a thing of the past (google.com, amazon.com, ebay.com, facebook.com...)

Visit Thailand

8:40 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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you mean the Google won't be able to sign up for .google and searches may eventually just need someone to type my search.google to get results.

What hasn't been discussed much is the foreign languages which may be allowed. That is enormous.

dailypress

9:03 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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why now? why after so many people spent thousands of dollars on .Asia auction...
[asia.asia...]

dailypress

9:06 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Brett Tabke: Founder of WW:

you might want to buy Webmaster.World before anyone else buys it.

also, maybe web.masterworld

p.s.> This is ridiculous...

StoutFiles

9:50 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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why buy s e x.com for $14 million, when you can own entire .s e x for 6 digits?

High quality gTLD's that aren't trademarked will be auctioned...they won't be going for 6 digits. If mature labels are allowed to happen, that is.

pageoneresults

10:33 pm on Jun 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I was just thinking while perusing the Recent Posts list, give this one a few more days and it will sink into the depths of WebmasterWorld and we probably won't hear much more for a little while. I know I'm not rushing out to investigate any potential buys. I'll stick with the .com space for now, it ain't dead yet!

.seo < Can you imagine?

menial

1:20 am on Jun 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

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del.icio.us :: deli.ci.ous :: de.liciou.s :: de.lic.ious. d.eli.cious

Soon we'll get back to remembering and typing IP addresses. What a progress.

g1smd

6:21 am on Jun 28, 2008 (gmt 0)

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*** Soon we'll get back to remembering and typing IP addresses. ***

Errrrr. I do that for a couple of sites, because their IP address is waaaaay shorter than their domain name. It redirects to their domain name anyway.

esllou

7:59 am on Jun 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Without getting into all the tech details, I just wanted to say one thing from the heart.

Money is ruining and will continue to ruin the Internet that I have loved for so long. It's a crying shame.

I just don't know where we'll be in ten years' time. Probably with 90% of traffic corralled through paying links towards ever fewer actual real, quality sites. A pyramid with an ever finer point and an ever wider, crappier, sleazier base.

Even the BBC has been running ads for 6 months or so.

:-(

gibbergibber

8:00 am on Jun 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

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If the TLDs can be anything and bought by anyone, why have a "SOMETHING.SOMETHING" domain at all?

Why not just have a system like AOL's keywords, where you just enter "SOMETHING" and it takes you to the site?

I don't particularly want to see either of these things, but will it end up like that in a few years time?

--Even the BBC has been running ads for 6 months or so. --

They're legally obligated to do so because of the way the BBC is funded. It's a tax-funded UK public broadcaster so it has no ads within the UK, but the government says it must fund its overseas services with advertisements because foreigners don't pay UK taxes.

[edited by: gibbergibber at 8:21 am (utc) on June 29, 2008]

Habtom

8:19 am on Jun 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Soon we'll get back to remembering and typing IP addresses.

Yea, all of a sudden remembering IP addresses seem a much easier task.

Josefu

8:59 am on Jun 29, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Hm, I'm not so sure about a few of the reservations here - I doubt that IP addresses will be 'easier to remember' than domain names.

If the extension is used in an ergonomic fashion, it could even be an aid to memory : you have a company providing digital services or a video rental store, then why not 'companyname.service' or 'companyname.rental' (or 'companyname.cars' or 'companyname.cinema'...) that would open endless possibilities for additional market tools.

Plus, in the bargain, it would break the hold domain-name squatters have over the market.

walkman

2:55 pm on Jun 29, 2008 (gmt 0)



>>that would open endless possibilities for additional market tools.

The idea is to have ONE easy to remember name. You could buy company.service1 but the others might snatch the company.service2. Frankly, this confusion made the .com more valuable, at least in US. Most of the new .pickanytld will be PPC since it's probably more profitable than selling domains. People will get tired of guessing and be upset when smalltown.dentist shows a bunch of ads. After a few tries they'll ignore them.

Murdoch

12:56 pm on Jun 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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If the extension is used in an ergonomic fashion, it could even be an aid to memory : you have a company providing digital services or a video rental store, then why not 'companyname.service' or 'companyname.rental' (or 'companyname.cars' or 'companyname.cinema'...) that would open endless possibilities for additional market tools.

Yeah but we already have this with regular subdomains.

service.companyname.com
rentals.companyname.com
cars.companyname.com
cinema.companyname.com

Especially if you are a brand that already owns companyname.com why bother to drop a whole boatload of money just to move a word from the beginning of your domain name to the end of it?

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