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ICANN Ponders Feasibility of TLDs .exe and .pdf

   
1:09 am on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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ICANN is considering the impact of introducing TLDs with common filenames, such as .exe, .pdf, .mp3, etc.

Note: links to PDF
[icann.org...]

3:21 am on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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That's a horrible idea, in many situations it can represent a big security risk.
1:09 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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.COM is a DOS file type for a command file and that hasn't caused any problems i know of.
the discussion of "file type tld's" is on page 3 of the linked pdf.
and just because someone applies for .exe doesn't mean they will get it...
2:14 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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.com if entered wouldn't usually display in a users browswer. Just thinking it through would www.domain.com.roguepdf.pdf (obviously made using a better name) show a possibly malicious pdf.
2:17 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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They are not saying that they are going to implement any of these extensions, they are only looking at the technical repercussions of having a TLD which is a common file extension.

As per usual the problem seems to be with windows/internet explorer. All other operating systems that I know use different web browsers to local file browsers, so you would not have the problem of wanting file://myfile.pdf but actually getting [myfile.pdf...]

Their conclusion is that they will not use this as an excuse to deny a TLD, but they then go on to say that maybe we have enough TLD's at the moment (I think we do). So its unlikely we will actually see these TLD's.

2:22 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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but pdf's now are usually embedded within browsers using various standard plugins...
2:29 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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but the browser will resolve protocol:and.domain.before.it.gets.to.exe/the/rest/of/the/url.exe
2:33 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Domain name system needs urgent solution to people who buy literally millions of domains only to use them as PPC ads frontpages - 330k words in dictionary but over 100 mln domains, it is hardly possible to find one that is not taken!

Also they need to crack down on fake registrations used by spammers - low cost and ability to provide false information allows a lot of bad stuff to happen.

That's the problems ICANN should be thinking about, not worthless ideas about new TLDs that don't change anything apart from generating extra revenue for registars.

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3:03 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I'm really unsure of the value of these TLDs. They are three-letter abbreviations which mean something in the file / web context and I don't think there's any need to confuse matters.
3:07 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I want spacer.gif!
3:18 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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>> spacer.gif

Brilliant. You can have it, and I'll take index.htm, index.php and index.asp

4:34 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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*.exe there must be a brilliant mind at work there.
4:46 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)



I will take any .con domains I can get my hands on :-)
4:57 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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index.htm, index.php and index.asp

I'm also calling "dibs" on photo.jpg, tip.jar, ding.bat, quack.doc, and mart.ini

all hypothetical yet fun to dream

5:24 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I'm ok with (albeit a bit baffled by the need for) .pdf as a TLD, however I'm entirely against having a .exe TLD, as it just begs for abuse.

If certain companies what to have a .exe TLD, why not have them create it as a sub domain against their existing TLDs(e.g., exe.mydomain.tld) rather than having it in its own TLD? It worked for such things as FTP and WWW.

The ICANN documents speaks to needing to address "TLD strings that might impact stability." It looks like they looked exclusively at the DNS system, however, stability can take a variety of forms.

IMHO, creating confusion through millions of TLDs is not going to make the Internet more stable and attempting to generate huge quantities of TLDs should be avoided like the plague, not because it can't be done at a technical level, but rather because it rather creates human issues that are easy and obvious to forsee.

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5:54 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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extensions could cause technical problems when attempting to be resolved in their particular programs. Responses to these inquiries have indicated that if there were problems resulting from the addition of TLD labels coinciding with common file extensions, they would be problems of user confusion rather than breakage in the DNS.

But the impact of that user confusion shouldn't be underestinated.

7:31 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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this would be a nightmare... i can see it now, clients asking why their ".com" is sowing as a ".pdf" (assuming they have a pdf for download on their site). We have one client very upset the they had domain.com/filename.php because he "had a .com, not a .php" oh dear...
7:39 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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IMHO, creating confusion through millions of TLDs is not going to make the Internet more stable and attempting to generate huge quantities of TLDs should be avoided like the plague, not because it can't be done at a technical level, but rather because it rather creates human issues that are easy and obvious to forsee.

And guess who gets to pay for it? For Brands & Businesses $10 per gTLD a year is cheaper than a UDRP or a Lawsuit.

8:22 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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attempting to generate huge quantities of TLDs should be avoided like the plague, not because it can't be done at a technical level, but rather because it rather creates human issues

Yes. It doesn't matter if it's possible or not. It's a very bad idea.
8:44 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Bad idea.
9:47 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I've always been of the opinion that there should be a "dot triple x" TLD for pornographic sites, but that's just me.

As for file extensions, I don't see anything good coming out of it.

9:59 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Is ICANN just the dumbest company going or what?
10:43 pm on Feb 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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It beggars belief.
2:09 am on Feb 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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UCANNT
3:00 am on Feb 16, 2008 (gmt 0)



enough already with all these .extensions. Just ban tasting and we'll have plenty of .com names if the 200+ tlds aren't good enough.
10:18 am on Feb 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Even though I'm sure ICANN intends ".exe" as the shorthand of "executable" in a generic way, it's still strongly associated with the DOS/Windows world. Now that hurts my Linux / OSX self ;-)

OK, PDF, on the other hand is much universal acronym, so I might let them go with it. But then, what would be the use for it ?

And I'm also *very* dubious about the security implications. Sure, .com is also an executable extension in the DOS world, and there actually were malwares ending with .com masquerading as an URL.
If such a .exe TLD goes live, it's bound to happen at a much broader level. ("Hey, sure, that .exe in my spammy email is not an executable, it's just that super duper site you HAVE to see for yourself").

Bad idea in my opinion.

11:45 am on Feb 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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This is an appalling idea. I'm somewhat speechless.

In a world where many web users can easily be tricked into clicking on wwwyourbank.com this would be phishers' and drive-by downloaders' heaven.


Here's your latest Word doc. We're going to be working on the timetable at the end of today, so it's best if you open it and cast your eye over it now:

yourdoc.doc

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3:44 pm on Feb 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Is there a technical reason why we are limited to com, net, org, mobi, etc? What would happen if TLDs were opened up to free registration? What if I could easily register "anything.whatever"? Instead of fighting over "example.com", I could vie for "com.example"? and if that's taken, I could try "exam.plecom" or "examp.lecom"?

Adding a fleet of new TLDs will take more power away from dot com. Domainers who have been hoarding their precious dot-coms would naturally get irate if the market gets flooded with unlimited "mortgage.xyz" opportunities. It reduces the rarity and value of their assets. I don't think that's a bad thing. Although if I owned a kajillion$ portfolio of single-word-noun.com names, I'd probably take the opposite position.

Phishing? I don't believe it would be affected like you say. If there were many many more TLDs, URLs would develop an artificial air of ambiguity, the way a GUID does. Introduce chaos or ambiguity, and you remove the expectation of order and definition. Remove expectations, and participants exercise more caution. More cautious public will be less vulnerable to phishing scams. Denmark learned this [guardian.co.uk]

Even a whiff of "less order" would cause massive personality conflicts in the W3C. It'll become an emotional argument.

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4:47 pm on Feb 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Here's your latest Word doc. We're going to be working on the timetable at the end of today, so it's best if you open it and cast your eye over it now:

yourdoc.doc

How is that any different from this?

Here's your latest Word doc. We're going to be working on the timetable at the end of today, so it's best if you open it and cast your eye over it now:

<a href="nastysite.com/yourdoc.doc>yourdoc.doc</a>

Your example wouldn't by automatically hyperlinked unless you put [yourdoc.doc....]

This is exactly the same situation we have now and all the warnings about opening things from the internet and disabling macros does not work now anyway.

All they were discussing was should they disallow common file extensions in TLD's just because they are a common file extension? The answer was no, but it is unlikely we will ever see .doc, .exe or .mp3 extensions.

6:45 pm on Feb 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Adding a fleet of new TLDs will take more power
away from dot com

The most likely effect is exactly the opposite :) It will strengthen .com. Why? because TLDs need usage.

For example if we had 5 new competing TLDs for the automotive industry

.car
.auto
.garage
.dealership
.dealer

Do you think we would end up with

bmw.car mercedes.auto ford.garage gm.dealership toyota.dealer

Nope! The end result is bmw.com mercedes.com ford.com gm.com & toyota.com

Nobody ever got sacked for branding on .com

Take the HD DVD & Blue Ray battle - Most people are not buying nobody wants to buy into a looser. Most people want to follow at a safe distance behind the pioneers.

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