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Long tail type-in keywords - will it work?

         

webbyblob

11:48 pm on Aug 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I want to increase traffic to my main website. So one of the ideas I'm looking at is getting a large number of 3 and 4 type-in keyword domains, and 301 redirecting them.

I need to use 'long tail' type-ins because all the higher traffic names of around 10 unique visitors/day and above are all taken. (I'm using Overture for this estimate).

My theory is that even if each of these low traffic names only gets 4 or 5 unique visitors daily, then 100 such domains will give me about 185,000 uniques/yr. At a sales conversion rate of around 1%, my net profit would be $37,000 for this traffic. Nice pocket money.

The cost of keeping the domains would be around $900/yr, so the figures stack up okay.

Does anyone do this kind of thing successfully? Is there anything I should look out for?

cfx211

12:58 am on Aug 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

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185k annual visits off 100 domains targeting long tail keywords seems optimistic. You might want to test out a few of the most promising candidates before plunging in with the rest of them.

We had some success with long tail keyword domains in the telecom sector, but when renewal time came around we only kept a third of them because the rest were not worth it.

With us, we found it was a fairly steep drop. The best ones brought us consistent traffic, but they were few in number.

webbyblob

2:45 am on Aug 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

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>>185k annual visits off 100 domains targeting long tail keywords seems optimistic.<<

In making my guestimate I'm assuming that these long tails have constant year round traffic. Maybe not.

There are a lot of unregistered selections at the 4 visits/day mark which originally peaked my interest. Maybe these terms drop off the scale after a month or two for some unknown reason.

How would I quickly be able to check this? Do I need to join Wordtracker, or is there some freebie source to get the historical data?

Thanks!

chicagohh

5:04 am on Aug 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

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How would I quickly be able to check this?

There is not a reliable way to check low traffic domains. This is why domain tasting is so popular - you can register a domain and test it for traffic. As long as you cancel the domain within the time period (5 days) you only pay a small fee.

webbyblob

6:02 am on Aug 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

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>>This is why domain tasting is so popular - you can register a domain and test it for traffic. As long as you cancel the domain within the time period (5 days) you only pay a small fee.<<

Wouldn't such a small scale test be unreliable? If Overture says unique traffic for my test domain is 10/day, by the time I got the DNS xfer organized and had a couple of days left from the 5 days tasting to prove it, this may not tell me anything about traffic on the same days in Oct 2008 (or whatever date).

But the idea is interesting, and I'm certainly open to more ideas. Thanks.

HuskyPup

3:11 pm on Aug 24, 2007 (gmt 0)



then 100 such domains will give me about 185,000 uniques/yr. At a sales conversion rate of around 1%, my net profit would be $37,000 for this traffic.

Well, you're certainly not referring to AdSense!

I've just checked some 30 domains I have with single page customised content that have been around for between 5-10 years, all names in all SERPs etc.

This 30 for 2007 so far have had just over 50,000+ Google Page Impressions and earned USD 560.00 therefore they may make USD 850 for a full 12 months.

Many of these names are single word trade-related and highly relevant for my sector and will, eventually, be developed into full-blown sites.

chicagohh

5:40 pm on Aug 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

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by the time I got the DNS xfer organized

It shouldn't take that long. If I buy a domain the traffic is usually showing up in a few hours.

Webwork

6:09 pm on Aug 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Choose wisely.

High density, in SERPs, for an exact match of the generic industry phrase is a good thing.

The longer the domain=phrase the fewer the type-ins.

The longer the phrase the more likely the type-ins are rather focused on your domain's topic.

The more indicative the domain is of a highly commercial intent the more likely the phrase has enduser value or conversion utility, . . but not always.

It's part formula, part experience, part good instinct. The formula comes from experience, paid for in many hours of work and lots of money invested. Most of "the formula" is laid out above. The rest of "the secret formula" is actually nothing more than taking your time, thinking about things before you go hunting, etc.

Seeing the big picture is always a factor. Trend analysis matters. Subject matter matters. How do people, looking for "X", tend to think and search? Will that change? What's your demographic? Is THAT demographic more or less likely to employ direct navigation?

Show up at a PubCon some day. I tend to "give it all away" when I speak. I suspect some folks will vouch for that. I do a pretty good job of giving it all away here, too. Heck, I just "gave away" a number of decent unregistered domains elsewhere, at another domain place where my (abbreviated) nic is "Cranky".

Cranky? Go figure. ;0)

webbyblob

1:42 am on Aug 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

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HuskyPup - correct, this is not Adsense. It is my own product page and my estimated profits are from direct sales take over the 12 years or so I've been selling from the net.

Chicagohh - I agree that a DNS transfer won't take as long as a couple of days... but if I were buying domains and spending time putting them through the 301 process, measuring, testing etc., I could easily see that it would be a day or two before I could see results.

I guess my main question is this - what are the most efficient processes to get traffic to my website? Type-ins seem to have the advantage of organic flow, which also means less work at the coalface. So that's my quest.

The alternative is whipping up my affiliates, but this is ongoing and time-consuming, and sometimes doesn't get the results I want. I've often found that sales from some affiliates have higher refund rates simply because they are not targeting the right audience.

Long tail type-ins - by the very nature of their targeted response - would be a lot more reliable in that respect. And as WebWork says: "The longer the phrase the more likely the type-ins are rather focused on your domain's topic."

If long tail names are the answer, the next step is how to quantify them to get the best results. Which leads on to the main question - how do I ensure that a picked batch of 3-4 word keyword domain names are going to stay popular for a while to give me an easy life?

cfx211

4:02 pm on Aug 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Just a thought....if you are willing to invest $900 per year in domains, why not look into buying a good domain name in the aftermarket? One really good keyword domain might get the same result as 10, 50, or 100 domains, it would be easier to manage, you can see traffic records before you buy so you know what you are getting, and it will have resale value should you want to sell it later.

webbyblob

7:15 am on Aug 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

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>> if you are willing to invest $900 per year in domains, why not look into buying a good domain name in the aftermarket?<<

Good idea. I'm not generally an 'all eggs in one basket' kinda guy, but I like the idea of less maintenance.

gmac17

2:14 pm on Aug 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

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when you buy long tail names you are bound to get some bad ones among the bunch - just a matter of how many bad ones you get. It is not as easy as it seems.

Does your website have as much content as humanly possible about your topic? Content = traffic from search engines. Just make sure it is relevant. Ideas - history of your industry / products / how to buy your product / how to use your product etc etc - you'll be amazed at how much traffic you get from the long tail this way.

webbyblob

6:54 pm on Aug 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

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>> when you buy long tail names you are bound to get some bad ones among the bunch <<

Agreed. Now I'm just trying to figure out how to identify the best/worst names in traffic terms. Once the portfolio count starts to rise, it will become a real time-comsuming chore, and I value my sales-making time over admin time.

I guess - looking on the bright side - if I can make one sale a year from one long tail, then I've covered the expenses for 3 domain names. That saves me chasing my tail with complicated stats.