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Need Help Assessing Value of a Domain / Website

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Frunobulax

5:00 pm on Aug 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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We have a .com retail site in a popular niche industry. Established four years ago, we have page one visibility on Google for all of our desired search terms (generally around #3 or #4). Average monthly traffic is around 22,000 visitors (75,000 pageviews).

It's been a long, hard road and we're pretty burned out. My partners and I all own other, more profitable businesses, so we've decided to let the whole thing go if we don't have a really spectacular holiday season. We're exploring all options at this point, and I'm trying to get a realistic assessment of the domain's value. We may sell inventory separately, or sell the whole business as a package deal (including the domain), but either way we need to nail down some realistic numbers for the domain.

Other trivia:

The domain name contains the name of the industry, and is incredibly easy to remember. Days after we first launched the site, people began telling us "Oh! I've heard of that"

Page rank (if that matters) seems to float between 4 and 5.

Happy to answer other questions-

Thanks

Webwork

5:56 pm on Aug 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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For the most part "we don't do this, at all" since, more often than I care, such threads serve as "thin cover" for soliciting inquiries. I'm not saying that's your intent for, if that was my conclusion, the post wouldn't stand.

Alright, since it's now officially "Rules Breaking Friday", I'm greenlighting this. Let's call it a "one off". I don't propose to make this a habit, so let's flesh it out in some detail for future reference. (Be advised that IF this works, and we develop some decent analysis and intelligence, the domain name itself is likely to be removed once we're done.)

I'm off to a business meeting so I can't linger to chat, for now.

Anyone have any input? Let's keep it broadly educational, not just about "this domain". Thank you.

[edited by: Webwork at 5:59 pm (utc) on Aug. 10, 2007]

Frunobulax

6:24 pm on Aug 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Appreciate it. There's no hidden agenda here - we're just trying to figure out a methodology for objectively pricing this thing.

tim222

7:41 pm on Aug 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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One way to look at it is to base your price on annual revenue rather than place an arbitrary value on the domain name itself. One times annual revenue is probably too low, while twenty times annual revenue is obviously too high, since you can get 5% from a CD.

This thread might be useful to you:
[webmasterworld.com...]

Frunobulax

9:25 pm on Aug 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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>>One way to look at it is to base your price on annual revenue rather than place an arbitrary value on the domain name itself.

Agreed, although the mitigating factor is that our best exit strategy may be selling to a competitor. A competitor would likely absorb the brand (and all of the organic search engine traffic) rather than run it as a separate business. Under those circumstances, it becomes less about how we're currently turning traffic into sales than how that traffic would impact their existing business. This is why we're trying to establish a value range (or a methodology for determining the value range) for the domain itself. They may say, "We don't want to buy $30k in inventory, but we'll buy your brand and your domain."

tim222

11:32 pm on Aug 10, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It's difficult to say, not knowing all of the specifics, although this discussion is supposed to be general.

But it seems to me that all of the assets need to be taken into consideration. Whether or not they will use your advertising inventory, it still adds value to the website as a whole. I'm guessing that without the site and without the domain name, the advertising inventory would be worthless to you.

Frunobulax

1:58 am on Aug 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I'm not talking about advertising inventory, I'm talking about retail inventory: actual, physical, literal products. We have a warehouse full of actual inventory. I don't imagine that we'll have any trouble moving that stuff at a reasonable price, considering that we already have a number of wholesale clients.

I'm getting the sense that either this wasn't the best place to ask these questions, or that maybe there just isn't an answer. I posed the question thinking that maybe there was a guideline or formula in common use. I suppose domain selling is still a nascent market,and ultimately it's just worth whatever the market will bear.

Webwork

4:34 am on Aug 11, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Give it time. The intelligence of the crowd eventually emerges. We have a pretty smart crowd, too, though we're all also pretty well trained to avoid delving into specifics. Perhaps we can overcome that a little bit so don't give up quite yet. I may add something but I'd rather others step up and I'll bat last, hoping they will all have already done the heavy lifting. ;)

Valuation models may be nascent but that doesn't mean there aren't models that make sense, i.e., that can justify a certain asking price. The trick, for the moment, is perhaps finding some middle ground that respects the higher intelligence of each of the various models.

Frunobulax

3:40 pm on Aug 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Webwork - I'll keep checking the thread.

pageoneresults

4:29 pm on Aug 13, 2007 (gmt 0)

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We've had some recent Domain Valuation topics and I'm still a firm believer that the process for domain valuation is flawed. What I've seen is more or less "what the market will bear" and how deep the buyers pockets are.

Physical inventory? That's tough. I have a client now who has a couple of warehouses of physical inventory and we are doing our best to get it out of there. It was a brick and mortar that went online and closed his doors at the traditional level.

The valuation process is sketchy at most. We've seen domain names sell for prices that are well beyond any revenue the site is capable of generating in its current state.

Lots of research to be done to determine "where you stand" in the space. Competitive anaylsis, historical trends, etc. Once all that has been completed, then you should have a solid foundation to determine the worth of the property.

And even then, if the buyer is motivated, you could receive more than what you were thinking about asking. ;)