This is the quote from the Network Solutions page on Sunrise registrations (in the section on Sunrise II):
"EURid will retain the entire sunrise fee for all registration requests that fail the validation process and you will receive no refund. It is important that you submit the appropriate documentation to ensure your request is validated and processed in a timely manner."
Are these people really holding on to the fees for rejected Sunrise applications?
Regards...jmcc
fail the validation process and you will receive no refund. It is important that you submit the appropriate documentation to ensure your request is validated and processed in a timely manner."Are these people really holding on to the fees for rejected Sunrise applications?
"Failing the validation process" and "rejected Sunrise applications" are two different things surely?
"Rejected Sunrise applications" are those which have not secured the domain name and "Failing the validation process" would not even be getting over the first approval hurdle thereby losing their money.
Am I right in the way I'm reading this? I'm off to the Eurid page to have a look!
"Failing the validation process" and "rejected Sunrise applications" are two different things surely?I checked for the sunrise details of "hosting" (a common high value domain) on the Eurid whois. The accepted registrant is the one that has obtained the domain. Most of the others are marked as not considered. These may qualify for the refund as they have not gone through the validation process. The ones that are rejected are actually marked as being "rejected" in the whois. I checked one for an Irish company that did not get its .eu in Sunrise 2 despite it being the only applicant for the domain. It is marked as "rejected"."Rejected Sunrise applications" are those which have not secured the domain name and "Failing the validation process" would not even be getting over the first approval hurdle thereby losing their money.
Am I right in the way I'm reading this? I'm off to the Eurid page to have a look!
I also looked at the COMP-ID figures for Irish companies and businesses. The failure rate is over 78% for Irish firms trying to get their .eu in Sunrise 2. Only 131 got their .eu and 479 were rejected. These are small and medium businesses that bought into the European Commission propaganda and are now getting ripped off for the fees and the costs of assembling the documentation and affidavits.
The registrar cost for the Sunrise 2 rights is 85 Euros. So if these 61420 rejected applications are all Sunrise 2, then EURid gets to pocket 85 * 61420 Euros. That's 5.22 Million Euros that would make a Nigerian 419er green with envy. Now most registrars also had their markup on that and in some cases, the unsuspecting victim could have paid 200 Euros or more to file the Sunrise 2 application. Even Network Solutions was charging $179. The registrars make money and EURid pockets the application fee for rejected applications.
If EURid is keeping the application fees for rejected applications then this is very close to an advance fee fraud. The applicant didn't get the domain and didn't get the refund. It might be time to get the newspapers involved as they would love a story like this especially if EURid is pocketing the application fees for rejected applications.
Regards...jmcc
Regards...jmcc
If Eurid were keeping all the funds wouldn't they be really kean to reject as many as possible so they could sell the names again?Well it is PwC BE that are doing the validation process. It seems that EURid gets keep the fee for the rejected application and it then resells the domain in the mini-landrush. The applicant has to either take an expensive ADR to challenge the PwC BE decision or gamble on beating the squatters and warehousers in the mini-landrushes.
If EURid are holding on to the fees for rejected sunrise applications then it is a major scandal. Just on the Irish figures for COMP-ID (companies/businessnames/trade identifers) most of those getting ripped off are small businesses. If EURid is pocketing the fees then there should be an investigation. But the damage to the credibility of the European Commission, Eurid and .eu gTLD, if all this checks out, is going to be massive.
Regards...jmcc
[edited by: Webwork at 2:09 pm (utc) on Sep. 23, 2006]
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But the damage to the credibility of the European Commission, Eurid and .eu gTLD, if all this checks out, is going to be massive.
Agreed, yet who stands to gain from this?
PwC BE stuffing it in their back pockets as consultation fees? Someone/company, without a doubt.
This EU monster (the E.U. not the domain name) is out of control with absolutely no one prepared to take hold of the reins and take it back to what is was supposed to be.
Agreed, yet who stands to gain from this?No doubt the management and staff of EURid are being well paid for their incompetence and the "not for profit" EURid will do very well.
PwC BE stuffing it in their back pockets as consultation fees?Well PwC BE had the contract so I guess it is just more porkbarrel politics.
This EU monster (the E.U. not the domain name) is out of control with absolutely no one prepared to take hold of the reins and take it back to what is was supposed to be.What was astounding about the launch of .eu was that a tradtitionally Eurosceptic nation like the UK had so many .eu domains registered. But then after doing some checking, it seems that most of the bogus registrars and US/Canadian warehousers used UK front companies to register all those domains. One apparently Swiss operation used UK front companies to register potentially over 40,000 .eu domains to set up a PPC network. The .eu is such a mess that there really should be a police investigation as to what went on - the sums involved warrant it. Letting EURid pocket the fees from failed applications is going to really destroy its credibility. The main victims of this EURid's 419er op are the small businesses who believed the hype.
Regards...jmcc
