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JasonD

10:53 am on Aug 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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After reading a story on today's Register about accesability at [theregister.co.uk...] I checked out the application they speak about at [usablenet.com...]

Now call me silly but can't same the same functionality, that being to deliver a plain text, easily read page be delivered using CSS at a saving of $thousands per year?

dcrombie

3:23 pm on Aug 4, 2004 (gmt 0)



Or just use a text-only browser which does the same thing anyway. Some of them can even render graphics as ascii-text!

natto

2:40 pm on Aug 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's a quick fix solution that will get a lot of companies out of trouble in a short amount of time. Plus, some organisations may not have the resources to redevelop their entire website for accessibility so this is a nice solution for them.

A pure accessible website is best, and LIFT (the application mentioned above) is second best but at least it's better than a non-accessible site.

Finally - text readers creating ASCII pics? Wicked! :)

ronin

6:27 pm on Aug 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't get it either.
If visitors need a more accessible webpage why don't they:

a) switch styles off?
b) use their own stylesheet?

Where's the need for all this LIFT hocus-pocus?

createErrorMsg

8:02 pm on Aug 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If visitors need a more accessible webpage why don't they:

a) switch styles off?
b) use their own stylesheet?

Because a styleless page can be less accessible than a non-accessible one. For instance, disabling styles doesn't make navigation any easier if you need Access Keys.

Using a user stylesheet has it's own problems, I think, namely that you'd have to be a web designer in your own right to do a decent job at writing one.

And last, no amount of style deactivation or user styling is going to make a table-based design deliver information in a logical order to a screen reader, if the table-based design contains, as many do, source code that seperates related information.

All of these things are the responsibility of the designer/company because only we/they really have any control over them.

ronin

11:22 pm on Aug 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Good point about device-independent navigation.

I tend to think in terms of font size, colour contrast and screen readers when I consider accessibility - I guess the term covers more than just those issues.

I don't have much sympathy left for companies who still deploy designs with table-based layouts. They've had five years to "get it" and even taking browser-lag into account, lots of people are now using sufficiently modern browsers that CSS-P works.

natto

8:11 am on Aug 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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lots of people are now using sufficiently modern browsers that CSS-P works.

Absolutely. And even if people are still using version 4 browsers, then they at least have the option to upgrade. A blind user can't "upgrade" themselves to a sighted user. I'd rather support a screen reader than Netscape 4.