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2:31 pm on Sep 12, 2018 (gmt 0)

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The E.U. Parliament has voted to approve the latest changes to the Copyright Directive, and in particular the controversial Article 11 and Article 13.

Article 11 would force online aggregators to pay news services to use their content.
Article 13 moves the responsibility to internet companies to ensure the agreemens with rights holders are working.

Leaders of the EU's member states still need to sign off on the rule changes before the individual countries have to draft local laws to put them into effect.

Earlier coverage
MEPs Vote to Reject Copyright Directive Proposals In Current Format [webmasterworld.com]
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This will give Pinterest problems..
Hopefully fatal ones..
I must find my tiny violin..
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It will mean a lot of problems, and is a very bad thing.

There are already LOTS of instances of the automated filters and complaints polices taking down legitimate content - the most recent I read was public domain recordings of classical music being repeatedly taken down.

Special treatment for news services is also a problem. It is likely to mean search engines most news sources, especially small ones, and either drop news search or make deals with a few sources.
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Firstly the cases of legitimate content being taken down are far far outweighed by the vast amount of stolen content being uploaded..
It is likely to mean search engines most news sources, especially small ones, and either drop news search or make deals with a few sources.

That sentence makes no sense..as in, it does not scan..missing a word ( or two ) maybe ?
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"Parse" would maybe have been a better choice of word
That sentence makes no sense..as in, it does not parse..missing a word ( or two ) maybe ?
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it does not scan
Yes, that's the annoying thing about prose ;)

I think the word “and” got misplaced. Been there, done that:
It is likely to mean search engines <ins>and</ins> most news sources, especially small ones, <del>and</del> either drop news search or make deals with a few sources.
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It's hard to see how Article 11, the "link tax," will benefit European publishers. Does the EU Parliament really think Google and other news search engines will pay for the privilege of sending traffic to the likes of Springer Verlag?
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Ah..yes.. :) now it parses..
I don't think that will happen, and at the moment it would appear that most "news sources" get their "news" from only a very few "sources" anyway..That second hand information is then scraped by the search engines and the big sites, the search engines in particular then use such a large "snippet" that the vast majority of the "only want to read as many characters as there are in a tweet"..and "don't want "depth" , do want shiny and soundbites, preferably with scandal and sex" , do not need to go to the "sources".
They have all that they think that they need to know right there on the search engine's SERP, or second hand information site..

Others already do just say " OK Google", Siri, Alexa" what is the news today..

"It's all right they told you what to feel"

"Welcome to the machine"..it is silicon, smoking and non smoking..
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The above post was referring to Lucy24's post..not to EG's ( who posted whilst I was typing ) ..
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This decision of the EU is going to be big, for all kinds of reasons.
For example, If you're a news aggregator you're going to have to agree to pay to list news headlines. By listing headlines you're driving traffic to the news source. I really wonder if this is going to work. It's the opposite of how the Web was built. It was tried before and it didn't work.
How many sites will now just drop the sites altogether, and link to U.S. sources, for example.
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Speaking as someone who lives in a country where Google has already closed Google News, my behaviour changed as follows:
Before Google News closed: I used Google News everyday to scan the headlines, clicked on the occasional link.
After Google News closed: I go directly to the Newspaper websites, scan the headlines, and click on the occasional link.

End result, more time spent on News producer's website, less time on Google. Seems Google News wasn't necessary after all.
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By listing headlines you're driving traffic to the news source. I really wonder if this is going to work. It's the opposite of how the Web was built.

I'm just waiting for the SEO spam e-mails that read, "We think our site about men's polyester boxer shorts is a great fit for your site about St. Catherine of Siena, and it'll cost you only 100 euros to link to us."
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And if the European sources block the US sites that the aggregators and search engines use / switch to ..?

Going to be difficult to avoid using Reuters and AFP if anyone wants World news ( including USA ) not to mention EU news..

If "sources" in other countries ( including the USA, ) follow the EU lead ?

Stranger things have happened.."privacy" was an EU "issue" that has now been taken up in many places..
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I'm just waiting for the SEO spam e-mails that read, "We think our site about men's polyester boxer shorts is a great fit for your site about St. Catherine of Siena, and it'll cost you only 100 euros to link to us."

That would be akismet error..the point of boxers is they are a loose fit..
4:32 pm on Sept 14, 2018 (gmt 0)

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The EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) has some good commentary on this.
[eff.org...]
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The EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) has some good commentary on this.

Whether the EFF commentary is "good" is a matter of opinion..
[eff.org...]
Not content with handing copyright law enforcement to algorithms and tech companies, the EU now wants to expand that to defining the limits of political speech too.

The EU did not hand copyright law enforcement to algorithms and tech companies, it did however demand that those companies respect copyright, as most of them , particularly Google and Pinterest , built their business on the complete disregard for other people's intellectual property and a highly distorted travesty version of fair use ( which has not been applicable to Google since it left the university labs of it's founders )..Google's cache and the way it handles images. is in breach of the Berne convention.

The way Pinterest actively aids people to copy and post images to be stored on Pinterest's servers is , and always has been in total breach of the Berne convention..

The EU is not attempting to control political speech, what it is insisting upon is that items such as the beheading of hostages, murder , rape and calls for those crimes to be committed are not allowed to sit on servers of "social media" companies in the hope that ads will be clicked upon which are placed around such "viral" content..Facebook's actions ( or rather lack of actions ) in that regard has been disgusting..
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@engine, one thing that annoys me about the EFF (and ORG) is their support for GDPR. While some legislation was necessary GDPR is unduly burdensome for small business who are not the problem (data on a relatively small number of people for internal use).

I agree their commentary on this is good. Politicians have no idea what can be done in terms of automated filters, or just do not care about blocking legitimate content as long as their friends in big media are happy.

The EU has not yet reached the level of Australia though, where the Prime Minister said: "“The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia,” [newscientist.com...]
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GDPR is unduly burdensome for small business

I suppose it depends what you mean by "small".

Most businesses with fewer than 250 employees have very little to do.

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Article 13 moves the responsibility to internet companies to ensure the agreements with rights holders are working.

About time too.

People who licence my intellectual property without permission to companies such as Facebook, Google or Pinterest are at best naive and may not understand what they are doing.

The companies themselves have no such excuse.

"Sharing is not caring".

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