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File A DMCA Against A Scraper Who Hosts Their Own Site?

     

Planet13

12:25 am on Jul 10, 2013 (gmt 0)

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A scraper has copied 63 of my pages.

I was told to file a DMCA with his hosting company, but he hosts his site himself.

I can't seem to find an actual working email / contact info for him, and I doubt he would respond anyway.

What would be the next best thing?

A;so, is there an EASY way to have google deindex the pages on his site without having to file 63 separate DMCA requests with google?

Thanks in advance.

not2easy

2:59 am on Jul 10, 2013 (gmt 0)

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Depending on who his ISP is you might take a look there?

lucy24

9:55 am on Jul 10, 2013 (gmt 0)

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He may have his own server. But unless he's huge, he's subletting his access from someone else. Find out who's directly upstream.

Some registrars get interested when a domain under their jurisdiction has no valid contact information. (On paper, all registrars are supposed to care. Whether they really do or not is another matter.) That doesn't mean real name and physical address, just an e-mail address that isn't bounced back as No Such Person.

Planet13

8:01 pm on Jul 10, 2013 (gmt 0)

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@ lucy24:

"He may have his own server. But unless he's huge, he's subletting his access from someone else. Find out who's directly upstream."

I am not 100% sure I understand what you are saying. Do you mean search for his ISP?

Or do you mean that somehow he is actually on someone else's servers?

When I look at his DNS records, the name servers are the same as his URL.

If I do a whois query on his IP address, it lists a DIFFERENT company in a different state.

This is what it returns if I do a whois on his IP address: (Note, the website that is copying me is NOT unifiedlayer.com - it is a different domain name)

NetRange198.1.64.0 - 198.1.127.255
CIDR198.1.64.0/18
NameUNIFIEDLAYER-NETWORK-11
HandleNET-198-1-64-0-1
ParentNET198 (NET-198-0-0-0-0)
Net TypeDirect Allocation
Origin ASAS46606
OrganizationUnified Layer (BLUEH-2)
Registration Date2012-07-02
Last Updated2012-11-14


Should I be trying to contact unifiedlayer instead?

Thanks in advance.

lucy24

9:37 pm on Jul 10, 2013 (gmt 0)

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Do you mean search for his ISP?

Or do you mean that somehow he is actually on someone else's servers?

When you say ISP do you mean IP? Most ISPs don't include that kind of upstream support.

If I do a whois query on his IP address, it lists a DIFFERENT company in a different state.

This is what it returns if I do a whois on his IP address: (Note, the website that is copying me is NOT unifiedlayer.com - it is a different domain name)

Yes, that's what is going on. The offender may have his own physical server. But he also needs a connection to the internet. (Rough analogy: You can own a physical telephone. But you also, separately, need to pay for phone service.) That's the part he is getting from-- apparently-- Unified Layer.

Unfortunately "Layer" is one of those name elements that immediately lead you to expect the worst. (Another is "Rack". You could make a list.) So they may or may not care. But it can't hurt to ask.

Planet13

10:54 pm on Jul 10, 2013 (gmt 0)

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Thanks!

I did try searching for unified layer and they seem to be doing a good job of making it difficult to contact them as well.

ressaid

3:54 am on Jul 11, 2013 (gmt 0)



Instead of trying to take down his server or stop his ISP, why dont you just have google and bing delist him? I think that would be a much more effective starting point. Log into webmaster tools and file a dmca complaint.

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Also, sign up for a service to to stop web scraping in the future so it doesnt happen again.

outland88

11:53 pm on Jul 11, 2013 (gmt 0)

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Is UL disguising the IP address? Looks like they've gone out of business. Normally these are a real pain in the rump. Without looking at the domain name it's hard to say. The set-up doesn't mean they necessarily have their own sever. Three dollar shared hosting can do the same. I've chiefly run across this with illicit pharmacies, sites utilizing a lot of stolen content, or even competitors.

Planet13

1:59 am on Jul 16, 2013 (gmt 0)

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@ ressaid:

Thanks for responding. I was out for a few days so I apologize for not getting back sooner. I tried filing a DMCA request with google and they said they needed proof that we are the actual copyright holders. You can see more in this post.

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I will look into services that help prevent scraping.

@ outland88:

Thanks for your response.

If you don't mind terribly, I will sent you a sticky mail with the URL of the scraper site.

It looks to me that he does a couple of different things, acting as a web designer for a particular style of web sites.

It looks like so far they stole my content and they left it just on the "back burner." They haven't done anything to monetize it yet.

If you have a moment, I hope you can take a look at it.

carminejg3

2:24 am on Aug 3, 2013 (gmt 0)

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I'm dealing with a guy that host over seas. I've contacted a few major players IE godaddy.com, they have been very helpful.

Check his site on the way back machine. You might see he had adsense at one time.

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