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and i'm going to use some people's Recipes
Obviously, recipes lend themselves to similarity, so it should not be difficult to rip off somebody's work and change it up enough to pass muster for 'fair use' or 'originality':((
If you copy, scrape, plagiarize or otherwise rip off the work of others verbatim,
you leave yourself open to a world of hurt.
There are ways around this however, sad as they may be.
One way is to automate subtle changes in the recipes.
Enough of these, and nobody could accuse you of your obvious intentions.
For example: Change:
* Corn-starch to potato starch. (or the reverse)
* 1/4 teaspoon to 3/4 teaspoon, they look much the same on a web page.
* Buffalo meat is so close to beef that few can detect any difference.
* Lamb and Goat likewise.
* Oils and fats are often interchangeable. I like Greek potatos fried in olive oil!
* Convert American measures into metric or vice-versa.
* Hire a boat person to bake Biscotti on your German stove.
* Translate "Pot Luck" into "Pot-au-feu", quadruple prices and you are off to the races.
But, do NOT scrape or plagiarize the work of others.
To do so is beneath contempt. -Larry
concerning the recipes, i think i can buy a copyright-free database, but that wouldnt be enough!
any suggestions would be More than welcome
hassan731 said: i want to create a huge recipes website...with a Forum.... i dont have TIME, i'm extremely busy and i soo Need a huge website that can make me some adsense cash, i know that the more pages, the more money i'll have.... i think i can buy a copyright-free database, but that wouldnt be enough!
I, for one, am not sympathetic to your "needs".
Eliz.
"Mere listings of ingredients as in recipes, formulas, compounds or prescriptions are not subject to copyright protection. However, where a recipe or formula is accompanied by substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions, or when there is a combination of recipes, as in a cookbook, there may be a basis for copyright protection."
[copyright.gov...]
But if there is any creative expression involved, that can be copyrighted.
Here is what I do. I take the recipe, and I make it. I always change some things anyway. For example, I'm a bit of a chilehead and prefer my food kinda spicy. Then I write down the steps that I took to make the meal, adding my own creative expression and comments on the original.
A few days later I make it again, following the steps that I wrote down the first time. I fix the mistakes and post it with a nice introduction that I wrote myself, and giving proper credit to my source.
In my opinion, that is the way to do a recipe site. If you want to do cut & paste of thousands of recipes, you will just end up competing against hundreds of others that do the same thing.
Since I make each recipe myself and I personalize it, each recipe starts picking up a couple of natural links within a month or so. It keeps building from there.
So go ahead and copy recipes, but I recommend against doing cut and paste. If you copy any creative content in the process, you are infringing on the copyright.
The web really doesn't need any more giant recipe repositories. It needs more site by good cooks that actually test their recipes.
Sticking up a huge site full of scraped, duplicate content and banging Adsense on it isn't going to make you rich. As BigDave said, you'll be competing with everyone else who has done the same.
Adsense can be a good source of income, but ONLY if you have a lot of traffic. One way to get this is to buy it. The second way, the long-term way, is to have a site full of genuinely useful content which people want to read.
What you're talking about is making an MFA - a "Made for Adsense" site. May I suggest you read the Adsense forum [webmasterworld.com] which contains lots of threads about how to get the best out of Adsense, why MFAs are unpopular, and will advise you on what to do and not to do when using Adsense.
Thanks again folks.
Then what are you trying to accomplish?
Please be specific. Thank you.
Eliz.
How about computer generated recipes! The algorithm would go something like this:
Randomly select national/ethnic 'origin' of recipe .. (American, Mexican, French, Chinese, Thai ..)
Randomly select main ingredient ( Beef, Pork, Chicken ..)
You will have to build separate files of recipe titles depending on ethnicity.
These have to match or you get "General Cho's Tamales" and the like.
For french recipes, throw in a cube of butter.
Other ingredients will suggest themselves from recipes online.
Salt can vary from a pinch to a teaspoon, also at random for example.
For the cooking steps, just draw those at random from existing recipes,
but keep separate files for the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. steps.
Otherwise you will be peeling potatoes after they are diced and so on.
Make sure that the ingredients are variables, so if you start with beef, its beef all the through.
At the end you put " Serves N" where N is any even number from 2 to 8. Always random.
I wrote a program in BASIC many years ago. It generated random dirty stories. Lots of fun.
A random recipe generator might not do much for fine cuisine,
but it avoids duplicate content issues entirely.
You could even generate random testimonials and feedback, but that comes later.
-Larry
If you can program a computer, then some time invested now will save loads of time later.
How about computer generated recipes! The algorithm would go something like this:
ROTFL!
Stop it! please! You're killing me.
<BG>
Matt
concerning time, i only have like 3 months with an hour and a helf daily to prepare a website or two!
any tips, Ideas?
thanks
stapel said: ...what are you trying to accomplish? Please be specific. Thank you.
hassan731 said: Stapel, mind your business ok?
said:hassan731 dont just go and assume things you know NOTHING about!
Eliz.
well, from one side, it's good that you replied, but from another point of view, you just came and started saying "you wanna make a quick buck"
Please dont assume what people wanna do!
i have a network of 30 blogs, that receive thousands of uniques per day and that makes me a Lot of money! (adsense only)
more than a thousand Bucks monthly!
that means i have some experience, doesnt it?
but since i know that some people here are way more experienced than i am, then i wanted to know something about webmastering, coz i already have some experience with Blogging and blogs!
can you please still help?
You say you are wanting to make yet another copy of information that is already available elsewhere, and you say you want lots of this copied content, because you say you expect to make more money that way. This is a classic MFA ("made for AdSense") technique, which, naturally, leads informed readers to the classic conclusion. But you say you aren't making the site just for money.
Then please clarify what you are wanting to do with this site. We are asking (again) because it still isn't clear. Everything you say implies that you're wanting to create just another MFA site for a quick buck. You say this isn't so. Then why are you making this site? What are you trying to accomplish?
It's hard to help you accomplish your goals when we, as yet, have no idea what those goals might be.
Thank you.
Eliz.
Then you have to get all those thousands of recipes ranking well to get any traffic. Figure at least a year for that.
Oh yeah, once they are ranking well, there just aren't millions of searches on any particular recipe. so you aren't likley to get moe than a few visitors a day for any but the most popular recipes.
So, now you have the traffic, do you realize that all the ads that will show up on a page about "peanut butter sandwich recipes" will be ads for other recipe sites? Figure on making less than 10 cents per click. And if your recipes and site are any good, why would they go to another site to get more recipes?
by the way, what you have said definitely defines what you are trying to do as trying to "make a quick buck". You don't want to put time or effort into something, and you need to make money soon. You have not convinced anyone otherwise.
A much better way to spend your time would be to monetize your blogs better. It looks like they are each averaging about $1/day if you have 30 of them and are making $1000/month. Given 3 months time you should be able to get that up another $1k which is certainly more than you would \get from your recipe site.
i dont have TIME, i'm extremely busy and i soo Need a huge website that can make me some adsense cash, i know that the more pages, the more money i'll have
concerning time, i only have like 3 months with an hour and a helf daily to prepare a website or two!
hassan731, based on what you yourself wrote (quoted above) what else are we to assume, other than you want to make money, lots of it, and fast? Don't have a go at other members if your post didn't come across the way you intended.
We can only offer advice based on information supplied by the original poster, and if that doesn't clearly indicate the intentions, then misunderstandings can occur.
If indeed you have 30 blogs which receive heavy traffic, why not promote your new recipe website on these, and ask your readers to contribute their own favorites?
You'll soon build up content, and if they write the method themselves (bearing in mind the actual ingredients are not subject to copyright), you'll also have unique, useful content, and no copyright issues.
