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would a succesful ad encourage you to give up adsense

         

blairsp

5:54 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I realise on the surface it seems a strange question. However, imagine you had a travel (any type of site would do) site. You suddenly realise that 85% of the clicks on your adsense units are going to abcd hotels ltd. abcd hotels limited have an affiliate programme but their banner sizes available would take up all the space that you used to fill with adsense ads. Would you do it?

In fact has anyone done this?

hunderdown

6:04 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)



Wouldn't it depend partly on how much their affiliate program pays compared to you average AdSense click?

And couldn't you try them out on some pages first?

LifeinAsia

6:09 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Why not do both? Keep AdSense and also put affiliate banners. Or rotate between them. Also, do some testing on what happens if you put them on your AdSense block list.

Go with whichever gives you a better return.

KenB

6:17 pm on Sep 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If someone was willing to pay me more for a slot than I earn from AdSense I'd be willing to sell said slot directly to an advertiser. HOWEVER, it would be for a specific set rate, and not a CPA or commission rate. I would have to be guarnteed a certain amount of revenue as I know how much I already earn each month for a given slot from AdSense.

blairsp

8:01 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Why not do both? Keep AdSense and also put affiliate banners.

Not enough space I am afraid. Although the rotation might work

blairsp

8:03 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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HOWEVER, it would be for a specific set rate, and not a CPA or commission rate. I would have to be guarnteed a certain amount of revenue as I know how much I already earn each month for a given slot from AdSense.

Their commision rate is 3% of a sale. Using their standard rate, one basic sale that would work out at just under 3 times what an adsense click produces (which seems to vary for some reason)

vite_rts

9:05 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Per sale you say

bear in mind that their conversion per lead has a big impact

so if each sale is worth 3x adsense click

but if they need 10 leads to make a sale?

Quadrille

10:39 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If the total income was going to be significantly larger than from adsense (check the trend on adsense - how fast is it rising?), you'd be a fool not to - but unless that was a certainty, you'd be equally foolish to make your site 'sponsored' for a 'chance'.

Affiliation is rarely what it claims; have you actually seen a check?

And if you did do it, that's the day you stop developing the site and start building a new one: a 'sponsored site' has peaked.

But as others have said, a much better solution is to mix and match. Use one site for the sponsor, others for adsense. If - and only if - your site has a transient readership, with few returners, then the risk is low, you can always go back to adsense when it fails. But You'll likely lose regulars if you look 'bought'; they'll end up on the sponsor's site, won't they?

Putting all your eggs in someone else's basket is not usually a good idea.

[edited by: Quadrille at 10:42 am (utc) on Sep. 30, 2006]

trannack

11:42 am on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Have tried various versions of the above, and at the end of the day I always seem to end up back with adsense. Hard to find trustworthy affiliate stuff, most people want to pay per x impressions etc etc. So at the end of the day, for me, adsense always seems to come out on top.:) All you can do is try and test it.

idolw

1:18 pm on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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i guess it depends on what you want to do.
affiliate marketing is a completely different stuff from building websites. it uses building websites to sell.

affiliate marketing is completely different from making money with adsense. however, it offers better return than adsense for a small guy. i guess it is tough to get more than 10k a month from adsense for a one man website.

Khensu

3:01 pm on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If somebody big in my niche like the big "M" wanted to sponsor my main site for $10K I would do it in a heartbeat. That is my goal and I am at 3/4 of that with adsense (10 years of branding, one million pageviews per month)

I would just keep on working on my newer sites with Adsense.

vite_rts

11:57 pm on Sep 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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1,000,000 Page views per month equates to $7,500/annum ?

greenleaves

8:01 pm on Oct 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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one basic sale that would work out at just under 3 times what an adsense click produces (which seems to vary for some reason)

You would need to get a better than 33% conversion clicks to sales. This sounds very unlikely, but as said above; if you like the idea test it.

Many times I think of something, then don't do it "to be on the safe side". Then that works for many others and I regret no having done what I wanted. If I test something and I doesn't work, I know it doesn't work (and that knoledge is valuable in and of itself), but if I don't test things, I will never know what the posibilities were.

That being said, I also believe "if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

markwelch

8:51 pm on Oct 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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In general, I would just do the math and do whatever I thought was going to make me the most money.

As noted, this situation is never really "mutually exclusive" -- you can often add a second ad unit, either as an image or text link. Even if the available space is quite fixed, as you insist we assume, you could use a smaller Google AdSense unit and a small affiliate banner or link.

As noted, rotating different ads makes sense, so that (at least) the second and later adviews are different from the first. In general, the clickthrough rate drops dramatically for the second and later adviews of the same ad (with the exception of certain "process" web sites, where the "end of process" page will experience a very high clickthrough compared to earlier pages viewed).

But even if I decided that the "direct" advertiser would generate significantly more revenue, I would still consider keeping AdSense: first, because I am very confident that Google will pay me as promised, while I am not certain about the direct advertiser (and I've seen MANY advertising-payment defaults in the past 10 years); and second, because keeping I'll almost certainly generate more total revenue if I rotate some Google AdSense ads along with the direct advertisement. (On some of my sites where a direct affiliate advertisement is more effective, I still show AdSense ads 10% to 33% of the time.)