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How much can you earn?

With 10.000 visitors/day

         

zakatua

11:48 pm on Jan 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi all!

I'm new at this and I don`t speak english very well, so sorry for any stupid thing... :)

My first question: how much (stimate, average, options...) can I earn with affiliate links and Google's adsense in a site with over 10.000 visitors (unique) a day?

Of course, I mean in english (USA) market.

And the same question... How much can you earn with 10.000 visiotrs a day?

Thanks!

ThomasB

12:03 am on Jan 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It all depends on your industry. If it's about insurances probably more than if it's about chewing gum.

But I'd guess that the range is between 1$ and $1000 per day.

jomaxx

12:19 am on Jan 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That's right. All you can do is keep testing different programs and types of placements and keep learning.

nativenewyorker

5:23 pm on Jan 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi zakatua,

Welcome to Webmaster World.

If you are planning on an AdSense (or similar) campaign, it is important to keep in mind how much you are paying for your visitors. You can easily wind up "in the hole" and lose money, instead of earning money, if the merchant does not convert as well as you expect.

Good luck,
Ted

zakatua

11:00 pm on Jan 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for your replies!

I run a site where photographers, mostly amateurs, submit their pictures for others to comment. I've been sponsored, but it's hard to find sponsors -you can't just sit and wait for then to get to your site- so that I was thinking on affiliate programs, couse at least you know where the money is.

I know there are many programs about photography (books, digital cameras...) and Adsense adwords have, as far as I know, this type of ads too, but I can't stop the sponsorship if I don't know if all this will work.

A range from 1$ to 1.000$ is a big range! And it can be bigger, as Ted said: from -300$ to 1.000$!

Well, I'll keep on learning! I've read some interesting post about this topic... :)

Thanks!

jomaxx

11:45 pm on Jan 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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IMO the site you describe is not a recipe for a high CPM (not to say it can't be profitable). With AdSense in particular, here is the problem:

If ads are optimized for the title/description of the photograph, then a photo of a car might trigger ads for "used cars", a photo of the Pyramids might trigger ads for international travel, etc. To me this is a recipe for poorly targeted ads with a low CTR.

Alternatively, if the ads are optimized for a general theme like "photography", then you will see very general ads, and the same ads on every page. This is also not going to result in a high CTR.

Maybe you can cross-reference the photographs by subject/theme in order to get a higher degree of content-specific traffic.

wallace

6:33 am on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Depends on how to get revenue in your site.

Why don't you try amazon?

what countries of traffic are you getting in your site?

Alleks

9:49 am on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Also could please provide information about impressions your site generate daily? Maybe I will be able to help you.

zakatua

11:27 am on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks to all for your replies!

1.- Amazon? Well, I don't know how to sell stuff from my site. Traffic is mostly from USA, but who is going to buy a $600 digital camera from a link on my pages? Maybe books or something so... For the moment I prefer a PPC program.

2.- 80K/100K pages a day.

ThomasB

11:05 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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with 10k visits and 100k sites/day I know sites which make sth like 300 USD. But I didn't look exactly what they're doing, but it's a content site using AdSense.

onlineleben

8:29 am on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>Amazon? Well, I don't know how to sell stuff from my site. Traffic is mostly from USA, but who is going to buy a $600 digital camera from a link on my pages? Maybe books or something so... For the moment I prefer a PPC program. <<

Sure, with a ppc program you get immediate profit, but when joining an affiliate program like amazon, where you can sell books about photography, beginners guide to digital photography, accessories for cameras etc, it doesn't look like a profitcenter to your visitor, but more like part of your content. so, don't just place a link to the product on amazon, but write a little review about the product and link from there.

Good luck an don't get frustrated when you don't book a sale immediately.

ronin

8:48 pm on Jan 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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For the moment I prefer a PPC program.

At the end of the day, everything is PPC.

For CPM adverts, you can find the average number of impressions per clickthrough and deduce your PPC rate from that.

For CPC adverts it's straightforward.

Fr CPA adverts (Cost per Action - ie. affiliate links) you can add up the number of clickthrus you get before a customer converts and then divide the commission by the number of clickthrus to get the CPC rate.

For instance, these examples all have the same revenue:

1) A pay per click search banner which generates 10 cents per click

2) a pay per impression banner with 20 cents CPM which generates a clickthru every 500 impressions

3) an affiliate programme link with $5.00 commission which generates a sale for every fifty clickthrus

Redefining everything as PPC is the only way you can meaningfully compare the success rates of different programmes.

mr_strong

3:23 pm on Jan 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Nice post Ronin.

Good advice, thanks :)

eWhisper

5:05 pm on Jan 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Very good info, Ronin.

Before PPC, we use to determine banner effectiveness by PPV (pay per visitor) and ROI. The terminology changes, but in the end it comes down to profit margins.

zakatua

4:51 pm on Jan 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Onlineleben, what you said is a good idea. And it can help with search engine results as you get content.

Ronin, I think you are right.

Thnaks to all for your time!