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Ad Banners... are they worth it anymore?

Survey: How many use them today?

         

SEO practioner

1:09 pm on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think it's time to run a small survey here about ad banners... As a whole, do webmasters still use them? Are they really worth it?

I'd be interested in knowing how many of you are still using them, even sparingly on just a few sites.

Personally, I am thinking of installing a few on some of the sites I administer for certain clients. Some still sware by them. I have a few reservations about ad banners, but I noticed that you can now have topic-related banners.

All of you out there who have any experiences with them, either good Or bad, please raise your hand and be heard.

Thanks everybody. :-)
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jeremy goodrich

3:34 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>>>I have a few reservations about ad banners, but I noticed that you can now have topic-related banners.

lol, targeted banners = the only way to come close to a good CTR, and even more importantly, conversion rate 'on the back end'.

SEO practioner

4:00 am on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hello Jeremy and thanks for answering

The program I am thinking of joining is Microsoft's bCentral, where you can choose wich industry segment you want to be in. That way, you can better target your market and your visitors.

What do you think? I take it that you'r not too keen on banners as a whole?

Thanks

elgumbo

1:46 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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From a site owners point of view, I have found banner ads to be all but pointless in attracting visitors.

I recently ran an advertising campaign on a large UK site and as part of the deal they threw in some banner ad space.

Banner stats -

101471 impressions resulted in 80 clicks - 0.08% click rate

This was when delivering a targetted ad to targetted site.

As a webmaster, I really wouldn't bother messing up my site design with them. Write some targetted copy and use a text link instead. You'll probably do a lot better.

rcjordan

2:14 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have a fair amount of experience with banners, both as a publisher (currently serving 60k banner impressions per day) and as a business owner on the other end of the clickthru. Like everything else we do on the web, it depends on the demographic. In general traffic sites, I'd say that a decent banner is comparable in effectiveness/$spent to a direct mail campaign. However, I've seen top-notch creative running in context with the target demographic hit 2%-4% CTR, so I know they will work.

From my perspective as a business owner, yes, banners are working. I have one real estate subdivision running a simple branding campaign. Anecdotal evidence more than confirms that the banner campaign is making an imprint.

elgumbo

2:20 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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From my perspective as a business owner, yes, banners are working. I have one real estate subdivision running a simple branding campaign. Anecdotal evidence more than confirms that the banner campaign is making an imprint.

Yep it's great for raising awareness of your company but is the site that's serving your ad making any money? Or do you just get a free advert? ;)

gaberiplay

2:28 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just started serving ads about a month ago. If all the brokers pay up like they say, then Ill be pretty happy with banners, even though Im not paticualrly happy with what the ads are. Banners certianly wont fund the site, but between banners, catalog sales, and memberships, we might actually quit the day jobs someday... And it will make it possible to have more targeted advetisers onboard...

msgraph

2:33 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'll support rcjordan on the demographic and web site category.

I have a couple large sites where banners beat out text ads 10:1. Most people visit the site looking for something very specific. The only way to draw their eye from that content is through banners. Text ads can go unnoticed, and this is my theory, because they just get lost in all the text noise.

Banners still grab interest as well as create branding. Maybe you won't make a sale right after they click, but some of those users who click through might bookmark your site. I've seen it happen many of times.

rcjordan

2:34 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>is the site that's serving your ad making any money?

Yes, significant income for about 7 years now. (Somehow I was absent or wasn't paying attention when "they" said that content sites couldn't be monetized.)

>Or do you just get a free advert? ;)

No, we cross-bill our companies. Though the real estate company pays a flat rate monthly (as do all of my other long-term advertising clients), for a pricing comparable I turn down requests from media agents for runs offering less that $2 CPM, and it would have to be a fairly long campaign for me to consider it at that rate.

SEO practioner

2:59 pm on May 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Guys, thanks for the input.

:-)

gaberiplay

1:45 pm on May 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Jeese, if I was getting $2 CPM Id almost be able to retire! Our tattoo sites have been getting about .10 - .30 CPM. I have yet to see a dime of it , it seems they all pay a month or two after the ads have been served(only been a month and a half). Ill be hitting some conventions and offering tattoo companies advertising and hopefully drive that price up a bit. I would think it would be easier, but finding the brokers, testing them all out to see who pays the best, and finding a good mix takes quite a bit of tweaking. And it still seems like we could be making more dough... ack, not enough time in the day!

jimh009

8:05 pm on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Speaking from the affiliate side of things, I found banners to be next to completely useless - at least on my site. Despite thousands of impressions of "on theme" banners, only got a handful of click-throughs. Yet, text ads routinely get click-throughs.

So, I removed every single banner from my site (had one 234x60 banner per page previously). Oddly, got my first banner sale on the day I first decided to pull them all down!

No regrets about pulling them. Made no money from them and they slowed page loading down - not to mention taking away from the look of the page. The extra space on the web page is also nice to do other things with it.

dan the whaler

10:04 pm on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have about 3 main affiliate programmes per site. I find top banners (I use 234 x 60) to be a good back-up to the deep text links to specific products. I've tried replacing the banner with a differnet merchant - not one that has many other links through the site and seen conversions to the merchant whose banner was removed drop.

Visitors don't tend to click through the banner and purchase, but it seems to act like an advert raising awareness that there's shopping to be done and when a text link is clicked the landing site is by then a name that the visitor is prepared for.