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talismon

4:07 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Really weird stuff going on with one of out affiliates. On a major keyword, the affilaite url is being indexed one spot higher than our site. Our affiliate rep said they were "optmizing" better than we were. I know for a fact that is not true.
Thanks!

[edited by: engine at 10:42 am (utc) on Mar. 30, 2006]

tsinoy

4:33 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Agree with Dayo_UK.

Although, I do think the affiliate should have optimized their own page so that they have a chance to change the merchant as soon as the merchant turns sour whatever the reason.

mykel79

11:39 am on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm a bit confused here Life.

You wrote:

This is an easy implementation for us as we only have one landing page from affiliates. And since that page is not linked from anywhere else, don't even need to put a script to check for the affiliate ID- just hard code the NOINDEX tag

but then you went on to say:

The issue is mysite.com?AffiliateID=AFFID ranking on the SERPs with mysite.com.
As mysite.com?AffiliateID=AFFID goes to the exact same page as mysite.com, there is no value for the user

So which is it? A separate landing page or your index page, just with a parameter?

LifeinAsia

5:48 pm on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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mykel79,

The second quote you listed is the original problem. The first quote is our solution to the problem.

In our case, we have a separate landing page to set the affiliate tracking, whereas other sites have affiliates linking to any number of pages. So the solution I listed will not work for everyone.

mykel79

7:55 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the clarification.

As for disregarding sales that come from a certain referrer (such as google.com), be sure to remember that checking referrers is far from an exact science. They are often garbled or not there.
And of course if you have affiliates using PPC, they will not be happy if you start voiding sales from search engines.

Marcia

8:11 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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What if the reason for the site.com?AffiliateID=AFFID is so high because of the link to it. EG (If it was Google) - if a PR9 linked to a page like site.com?AffiliateID=AFFID part of the reason for that page ranking so high is due to the site it is being linked from (eg the affiliate)

Again - it is NOT the affiliate's site that is ranking. It is just a bare tracking link with NO site. Something like:

ht*p://www.affiliatenetworksite.com/fortracking/param=merchID99999&affid=99999&target=merchantsite

That is something like how it looks - NO SITE, NO WEB PAGE. It just goes to the merchant's site BUT it is the affiliate network's domain in the URL in most cases, to track the traffic. That is what's in the SERPS - no site.

If it were the affiliate's site there wouldn't be a problem. No site - just a bare tracking link in the search results page with nothing else. I have had it happen with one of my own links at MSN and turned in a report about the BUG. If you haven't ever seen one like that, you'll have to take our word for it, because we have seen it.

It could possibly have something to do with mis-handling 302 redirects, because MSN was having a problem with that at the time, in a couple of different ways - including a problem with some links right on Google's site that had 302's. In a few cases, the Google homepage was turning up with top ten listings for a search for "silly kids widget words" - Google was hijacking pages with 302's at Froogle.

LifeinAsia

8:20 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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mykel79,

We're only filtering out referers that are there. If there is no referer, we still count it as coming from the affiliate's site.

Our affiliate program is strictly commissions on sales, no PPC. But even if we did, the ToS specifies the clicks must come from the affiliate's site(s), so we most certainly would NOT pay for any PPC links in the search engines!

graywolf

9:34 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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After looking at this talismon has a valid concern (and I'm an affiliate). The affiliate is pumping up a page on the merchants site. The listings look like this

example.com/page.php?aff=12345 (aff listing)

example.com/ (merchant listing)

So if hundreds of affiliates are pointing to page.php?aff=#*$!xx that page is going to rise in importance. Of course the merchant is getting some link popularity out of the deal.

To get an example of how to fix this search on yahoo or MSN for "SEO Friendly Affiliate Systems" in quotes

LifeinAsia

11:37 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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hundreds of affiliates are pointing to page.php?aff=#*$!xx

Not exactly. Each affiliate is using their own unique affiliate ID. So you'll have page.php?aff=1, page.php?aff=2, etc. Depending on the merchant, the content may or may not be identical.

Obviously the merchant benefits with increased link popularity from having affiliates- this has always been the case. But then again, the affiliate can always add the "nofollow" tag to the link from their site. Or in some cases, there's no content on the page, so link popularity for that page is irrelevant.

mykel79

8:54 am on Mar 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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We're only filtering out referers that are there. If there is no referer, we still count it as coming from the affiliate's site.

Well yes, but my point is a lot of people won't have the referrer, so that's not the best way to deal with this sort of situation. I guess that's agreed on anyway, though:)
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